[GFischer]

I like Vienna very much - okay, I was there in the 90's and I come from South America, but I've since visited Toronto and many other European and Latin American cities, and Vienna is among the nicest cities I've visited.

Maybe the problem is a cultural fit, or high expectations from California, but not the city hopefully?

Edit: here in Uruguay we have almost 14 salaries as well: 1/2 a salary in June, 1/2 a salary in December, and 20 days paid vacation (almost a full salary)

[seclorum]

In my case its the pure physical nature of the city that disturbs me. I find no love for the narrow strip of sky that most denizens have to suffer for their daily sunshine needs, and that strip of sky is a consequence of the composition of the citys' buildings, glommed together at a uniform height, each building providing a bare-minimum amount of shelter to the occupants. These 5 or 6 storey buildings are, in my opinion, an intentionally oppressive act designed to keep the working, industrial classes, introverted and perturbed - and in that sense, they function very well.

[krzyk]

Yeah, each their own :) I love narrow streets and high buildings (the older the better, bet skyscrapers are also nice). But yeah it mostly boils down to where one grows up (although I grew up in a small town so I shouldn't lake this ;) )

And I loved Vienna, when I stayed there for few days year ago.

[AYBABTME]

Toronto is a latin city? Do you mean Montreal?

[GFischer]

Sorry, I expressed myself wrong. I meant to say I visited Toronto in North America, and other cities in Europe and Latin America (but I haven't been to the U.S. yet as it's the hardest country to visit in terms of visa requirements. Now that I can get one, I don't have time :) ).