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by quantadev 570 days ago
I never saw anyone on this thread deny that JS CAN be used without frameworks. As a developer since before the internet even existed I've written probably at least two to four million lines of JS in my life, so I'm well aware.

What people are saying is that for LARGE projects you NEED a framework. And your app is tiny. It's got like two source files. So it's just an example of a tiny project getting by without a framework. I have a couple of those currently myself, because I don't need a framework for them. They're just HTML+CSS+JS.
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baobabKoodaa 570 days ago
> And your app is tiny. It's got like two source files.

If the same app had been written by a typical team of React devs, it would be >1000 source files and 50K LoC. That's not an argument against my approach, it's an argument in favor of it.

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palmfacehn 570 days ago
The SPA version would unmanageable without the latest 4th generation JS build tools. Spend an afternoon reading the manual for the configs. Watch the output of 'pnpm list' break your terminal environment when you try piping it through 'less'.
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quantadev 569 days ago
You can use React with or without SPAs. Not saying you didn't know that. Just pointing out they're separable.
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quantadev 569 days ago
You have it exactly backwards. Since React does all the DOM updates automatically, my massive project, with 100s of thousands of TypeScript LOC, has zero DOM calls in it. lol.
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baobabKoodaa 570 days ago
> I never saw anyone on this thread deny that JS CAN be used without frameworks [...]

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42282054

"brochure-ware"

B-R-O-C-H-U-R-E-W-A-R-E

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quantadev 569 days ago
He's right. You have a project with two source files in it. That's basically not at any kind of scale he was talking about, and is easily classified as brochure-ware, from an architectural standpoint, simply because there's no architecture to it at all. Just a monolithic file.
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baobabKoodaa 569 days ago
> Just a monolithic file.

I was willing to assume good intentions from you earlier, but at this point it's clear you're just lying. You've seen the number of files in the repository, we already had a back and forth and you already conceded there was more than one file. And yet here you are, reiterating the same lie. Weird stuff.

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quantadev 569 days ago
Those two 17 LOC files don't count. That leaves precisely two source files, just like I said. It's well under the threshold where I'd consider a framework mandatory.
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