This site is misrepresenting itself as open source and free, while simultaneously having an affiliate program and pricing page, which, as I've said, isn't free. It's unverifiable whether or not it's open source, as you don't even download/run the software yourself: it's a web app, which is beside the point, as web apps could also be open source, but as there's no way to self-host this, let alone download it and/or run it, for free or otherwise. I think it's safe to avoid this scammy site.
None of my ire is directed at you, as I don't assume you knew any of this. I just wanted to let you know, in case you were mislead as to what the site does by its ad copy.
> This site is misrepresenting itself as open source and free
It's not.
They don't say that the site and all the services they offer are free and open-source, they say that the Archivarix CMS is free and open-source (GNU GPLv3), which it is...
> as you don't even download/run the software yourself
You can download the CMS.
> but as there's no way to self-host this, let alone download it and/or run it, for free or otherwise
Again yes you can both download it and self-host the CMS
> I think it's safe to avoid this scammy site.
It's scammy because they're not offering everything for free and open-source even though they never said they would?
Unless the CMS lets you backup/restore Internet Archive sites, then that is literally off-topic, beside the point, and doesn’t make sense given the context of ‘bagpuss’s comment. That ‘bagpuss was vague about what they said was free doesn’t change the context of the discussion.
I stand by what I said, as the Internet Archive feature, which is the entire point of OP’s post, is not free on their platform. The CMS is not relevant to this discussion.
It’s scammy because the kind of people who would use this wouldn’t know how many files are in the backup because they are likely no/low-context users who are likely not familiar with concepts like “average or expected number of files on a website.” The pricing is usurious and exploitative due to the pricing model being per file versus by file size for example.
It's not, you're claiming they said something they didn't.
> and doesn’t make sense given the context of ‘bagpuss’s comment. That ‘bagpuss was vague about what they said was free doesn’t change the context of the discussion.
I don't care about bagpuss's comment, they don't represent Archivarix as far as I can tell.
You said the site is misrepresenting itself, it's not.
You said the site is claiming things they haven't.
You called the site "scammy" based on something that they never even claimed.
> It’s scammy because the kind of people who would use this wouldn’t know how many files are in the backup
I was responding to ‘bagpuss because they made a claim that the site linked was respondent to OP, and was free. You and I can quibble about what they meant, but a plain reading of their comment implies that the functionality that OP asked for was free, because ‘bagpuss never mentioned the CMS, and in fact the CMS seems like a red herring in this discussion entirely.
I do feel that the site misrepresents the value proposition of the Internet Archive backup/restore service, because the site’s value proposition is convenience for users who don’t know that there are actually free, actually open source ways to backup and restore content from Internet Archive, and that site isn’t it. They’re banking on users not knowing any better in that case, which isn’t unethical per se, buyer beware etc, but it’s shady.
That above combined with the pricing model makes it scammy because you have to spend a minimum of $10 in crypto or other non-reversible payment for something that should not cost the user anything, as the Internet Archive is bearing the lion’s share of the costs. And if it doesn’t do what you needed, you’ve already paid in worthless credits.
> Second example: the big site contains 25,520 files. From this quantity you can deduct 1 because they will be free of charge. So we have 25,519 paid files. First thousand will cost $10, and the rest 24,519 costs only $1 per thousand, therefore $24.519 . Full price for the big site recovery is $34.52!!!
$34.52 is not a reasonable price for this by any means.
That said, I make no claims about the site being respondent to OP’s request, as I’m not OP. I simply rejected the claims brought by ‘bagpuss.
> but a plain reading of their comment implies that the functionality that OP asked for was free, because ‘bagpuss never mentioned the CMS, and in fact the CMS seems like a red herring in this discussion entirely.
What I'm saying is YOU said THE SITE was misrepresenting itself when THE SITE isn't. It would've been BAGPUSS that was misrepresenting THE SITE if anyone.
> for something that should not cost the user anything, as the Internet Archive is bearing the lion’s share of the costs.
It's still costing Archivarix money to run the service, yes you are paying for convenience, I see nothing wrong with that whatsoever.
Ideally the Internet Archive should provide an easy way to download sites but they don't.
> $34.52 is not a reasonable price for this by any means.
Why is it not reasonable? They spent time developing this service and it costs money to run, if you want to save money then yeah you can recover it yourself with some open-source software like wayback-machine-downloader, but some people just want to recover sites without having to bother with any of that.
> to clarify, i have nothing to do with this site, i used it once, years back and there was a free tier or at least a free/crippled version at that time
None of my ire is directed at you, as I don't assume you knew any of this. I just wanted to let you know, in case you were mislead as to what the site does by its ad copy.
https://archivarix.com/en/affiliate/
https://archivarix.com/en/#show-prices-wbm