[riku_iki]

> In case I was unclear, I consider Angular dead and obsolete.

maybe you would expand on this? I have no intention to challenge you, just genuinely curios if and why I should consider vue over agnular for new project (I use angular already).

[quantadev]

Maybe Angular is still used a lot, in legacy projects. I just mean for starting a new project, imo most people will choose React or Vue in 2024, right? I never used Angular myself, but have used both React and Vue a lot.

[halflife]

If you’ve never used it don’t declare it dead. Angular is updated regularly every 6 months. While react is busy thinking how to create more SSR apis, the angular team keeps improving developer experience.

IMO right now it’s easier to start an angular project with much less foot guns than react.

[quantadev]

I call plenty of things dead without ever having used them. FORTRAN for example.

What I mean by dead is it's a VERY unlikely choice for any new app. People will choose React or Vue most of the time. You don't see Angular used hardly ever for a new project.

BTW: Vite is the new best way to manage the build pipeline, and makes React super easy to start using.

[pklausler]

I’ve never used a drill press; does that make them dead?

Fortran certainly has its issues with portability and feature development, but it is by no means dead.

[quantadev]

As I already pointed out, my use of "dead" doesn't mean "no longer in use". It means no longer being selected by choice for a new project.

And your drill press example is agreeing with me, which is that, as I also already said myself, no one needs to have ever used something to be able to declare it dead, nor did I declare something dead because I don't personally use it. That's absurd.

[riku_iki]

I don't have strong insights about current agnular popularity. I think at least teams/companies which built strong expertise in angular will continue using it for new projects unless there is some big reason not to.

SO trends show that angular is more popular, while vue is loosing share (not necessary absolute number): https://trends.stackoverflow.co/?tags=angular,vue.js,reactjs

[quantadev]

Thanks for sharing that graph. It does show React as the leader, the the others in distant 2nd/3rd place.

However I think the "drop off" in the chart for React is misleading/incorrect, and likely indicates just a slowing down of the economy and/or people moving to LLMs for their searches and abandoning StackOverflow completely, as I have.

For the past year I haven't yet found a question that an LLM couldn't answer better than S.O. could, although ironically most of the LLM learning did come from S.O.

Anyway, yeah shops will stick to their legacy code forever unless something forces change, because retooling is super expensive in money and time, not to mention replacing all your developers with different ones!