[krollew]

Nice to know, but I bet It won't be used widely soon, no matter if it works or not. Medicine wants keep cancer pacients alive, not cure them. Curing is not profitable. If they (and people themselves) wanted us not to be sick, almost nobody would be.

[ars]

This again? It's nonsense.

Why do people believe garbage like this?

[krollew]

Because see how healthy man can be if only he want? Ever tried? Moreover technology evolved so much and healthcare seams to work worse than before. Think about it, science can tell what happens billions of killometers away and what happens in subatomic scale and it can't find out how human body works enough to cure most common diseases? It doesn't convince me.

And why not to believe? There are many people doing bad things. There are wars, animals are treated like garbage. Why not to believe someone want to make bussiness on disieses?

How about remissions, why nobody believe they occur for a reason? People are too stupid to find out that reason? I don't think so. Or maybe am I wrong and scientists try to find out why they happen?

Why basis of caring about health in mainstream medicine now are meds and vaccination and not healthy diet and doing sports? I use no drugs and I don't get sick. I used to, before i started to care what I eat and what I do for my health. Noone ever told me to do what I've done. I rather seen commercials of drugs that are not healthy and not realy work.

Does anyone care about that psychedelic drugs relieve cluster headaches (where no other good working med is known)? Anyone cares MDMA decreases symptoms of Parcinson disease? Is it so difficult to find out why? I mean, if anybody except single scientists care? I don't mention how great can they impact on state of mind.

Hemp is great painkiller, medicine for insomnia, and others. Why I can't use it to relieve my pain or to help myself fall asleep? Why medicine use much more dangerous drugs if hemp could be used? As far as I know It's illegal because someone don't want to admit it's useful for medical reasons.

Medicine is so broken. For me someone want it to be broken or people in medicine are stupid. I can hardly believe they are so stupid so I'd rather believe second option. The fact that some people always wanted to enslave somehow other people. We had explicit enslavement and religion. Why medicine wouldn't be next one?

[ars]

You assume people are doing this for "bad reasons". Or to make money.

It's not so. Medicine just doesn't know any better.

Each year they get better and better, but overall they barely know anything.

The body is VERY complicated, and people just don't understand it very well.

You think someone "cured" cancer but did not sell it to make extra money. Not so - there are so many people with cancer that they would make a HUGE amount of money by curing them all. And there are new cases all the time.

Remember that even the most profitable drug it's only for 20 years, then is not protected anymore.

20 years is plenty of time to make lots of money.

[krollew]

Yeah, but if no drug is not realy needed, you can't earn on it. Groceries and gyms does. Sorry, change of lifestyle made very big impact on my health. My immune system works so well cold can't become enough serious even to make me feel bad. I practicaly don't get sick. Moreover I noticed mood lift, better work of brain, no insomnia anymore, I have much more energy.

My body seems to know what is good for it - it prefers healthy food and don't accept stuff are not healthy. It even doesn't want beer anymore. ;) Why the hell nobody told me about that? If science made reserch on that, no flu vaccination or pro-immune drugs would be needed! Even more - there would be less cancers, heart diseases and so on. Nobody deny diet has big impact on those disieses, but noone what to use it. THEY KNOW how to do better, THEY DON'T!

And I'm not the only one. I know guy who treated asthma and alergy, which is in fact possible, in some cases, but no doctor even tried to do that.

And since he found information how to do that and I did - surely there are far more people does better than mainstream medicine. Think about it, some regular guys with no medical knowledge does better then proffesional doctors. Doesn't that mean there's something wrong with healthcare? Is there realy no reason to be sceptical about how it works?

[FreebytesSector]

The profits for a drug to cure every kind of cancer would be astronomical. You seem to have the assumption that when cancer is killed it cannot return. But, it can. Mutations happen often and because of this, cancer would happen often. Cancer kills people. You do not want your customers to die. It would be more profitable to release a cure and have people take it whenever cancer is found because it is certain to return.

You mentioned that changing your lifestyle has made you healthier, but that has been mentioned to me by my doctor every time I visit! Eat healthy, get plenty of rest, and exercise. We have heard this many times before. This is not some magical secret to a healthy life. Many people simply do not possess the willpower to do it. There are companies that profit from unhealthy choices because our bodies crave those unhealthy choices, but it does not mean there is some conspiracy by scientists to prevent drugs from reaching the market that can cure cancer.

The cure would be more profitable because over a long enough time line, cancer returns. People that get cancer are often predisposed to getting it in the first place.

[krollew]

Well, I won't argue any longer if cure for cancer would be more profitable or not. I'd need some professional analysis. I'm not proffesional so I don't know. Anyway they already take much money for treatments that doesn't realy work. It's quite good bussines. For sure it's very easy and safe strategy to keep status quo. What if cause of cancer would be found and it would no longer come back after treatment? Working cure wouldn't be so profitable then.

Yes. I wrote that everybody know that people should live healthier. But there is big problem. Telling is not enough. How people who never had proper lifestyle and diet can know what "healthy" realy mean? They only can assume that if they feel like they felt before they are healthy. Maybe not perfectly, but they are. This assumption is simply wrong.

Do you know people who live healthy? It seems to be highly addictive and spread quite fast. The only condition is that people have to see that those one who live healthy are far more healthy than they ever asumed. For example one of my frieds i live with in one flat needed only few weeks of watching how do I eat to decide to improve his diet. He's happy he did that. He loves oatmeal for breakfest too (also my habit). I doubt if someone who live healthy would like to stop. If you go to doctor you don't see what to expect so you don't change anyhting.

[Symmetry]

"Medicine" is not a singular entity sitting in a dark lair cackling to itself, its a wide variety of people and institutions that all have their own ideals and motives. Most are in it for the money, but to a somewhat lesser degree than in other industries.

What thinking of "Medicine" as a singular entity blinds you to is that while not curing people might result in more money for medicine as a whole, a cure for cancer would certainly make a whole lot of money or whatever entity came up with it. They'd have to choose the good of their industry over their own good and the good of their patients to a degree I would find incredible to do otherwise.

[krollew]

Yeah, I know that there are many institutions and people. But those people create a whole system. And I guess there are not so much players in that market that can develop such cure without any help. Research itself is expencive and nobody can just state he created cure for cancer and let people test it. They need much money to make it legal medicine. Can you tell me how much people/institution has enough resources to do that?

Moreover I guess medicine is quite homogenous as a science. What if way they are looking for that cure is simply wrong? What if law specifies wrong ways of testing drugs? Is it easy to change the law? If way of looking is wrong, I guess it's extremely hard to get money for research since people who decide rather trust the science. If law don't let find cure, I think it's even more difficult.