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by powertower 5086 days ago
> As a US citizen, this case makes me sick to my stomach.

MU was the hub of piracy on the net. And from the figures posted, netted 400 million dollars from it.

It's not something that was going to be ignored, even with a legitimate upload service being offered, because the primary monetary driver for that company was tricking and/or getting people to sign-up when visiting a page to d/l pirated content.

All the US gov will have to show is a statistical sample of 10,000 random accounts, and correlate their signup to first entry ... a page hosting pirated content... More or less.

And when that comes back to show that 99% of paid-users d/l pirated content, it's over.

Anyone with access to the Apache or nginx access logs and the hosted files could do half of that in their sleep.

What I'm sick of is there are people who choose to ignore the facts, and idolize this man who's entire history for the last two decades revolves around criminal activities and lawsuits.

But hey, this is America and you're entitled to your opinion.

Perhaps you know of a better country... http://www.vice.com/the-vice-guide-to-travel/the-vice-guide-...

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>MU was the hub of piracy on the net

I'd like a source for that. I believe TPB is and was in that position. I also believe that rapidshare and all those other sites had a similar amount of pirated content. In general you'd have a mirror of a given file across 3 or so sites which would indicate MU wasn't that far different from those commonly used as mirrors.

>statistical sample of 10,000 random accounts, and correlate ... pirated content

Why? That shows that people downloaded pirated content (which makes the downloaders guilty, not MU). I don't see how that makes MU guilty.

>Anyone with access to the Apache or nginx access logs and the hosted files could do that in their sleep.

uhhhhhh no. Not at all. How the heck to you figure out if a file is actually legal or not? How do you tell if a downloader of a file legitimately owned that file or not? An artist once distributed his album to me via MU after I paid (I wanted it in a different format than was avaliable via automatic download). I was a legal downloader, but if I gave the link to my friend he/she would have downloaded it illegally. To do such a thing they would have to first catagorize all the content, determine the copyright holder, ask the holder if it was a legal download, wait on the copyright holder to look through his/her probably nonexistant logs, and so on. This is not easy.

> idolize this man who's entire history for the last two decades revolves around criminal activities and lawsuits.

His past doesn't matter in this regard. I don't actually see how any of what you posted matters. Sure, there's piracy on MU. That doesn't mean it was illegal since they apparently obeyed the DMCA.

>It's not something that was going to be ignored

Indeed, it looks like the US government isn't ignoring it even though it was likely legal and are using underhanded methods in order to destroy the business, probably due to the lobbying money from the entertainment industry. If the government not following the law to persecute someone who's not breaking the law, and isn't even a citizan of the united states, doesn't make you sick to your stomach then I'm not sure what our government could do to do such a thing.

You really want a source for the fact that his site was a piracy haven? Are you that naïve? The man has a history of criminality, including embezzlement plus the people that are defending him are the same people who complain about Hollywood and the RIAA. If he wasn't facilitating global piracy then Hollywood and the RiAA are irrelevant in any arguments about this case. If he's innocent, he'll have his day in court.
> If he's innocent, he'll have his day in court.

Are you really that naive? I don't want to be dramatic, but take current events into account (Julian Assange, the NDAA, Guantanamo). There is plenty of abuse.

The question is not whether people used Mega Upload for piracy, its whether or not their service complied with the law (DMCA). For example: if I mail narcotics, is the Post Office breaking the law? If I Drop Box a pirated movie to a friend, is Drop Box breaking the law? Plenty of people email files around, do you think Google checks for/blocks any pirated attachments? Youtube? Come on, what song can't you find on youtube uploaded by some random person who added the lyrics. I'd be willing to bet that much more "pirated content" is streamed through youtube than ever was through MU.

What would you think if China extradited Sergey because people are uploading Chinese artists' music to youtube?

The fact that so many used it for pirated content is only a testament to how easy and scalable his file sharing/transferring service was and their effort to protect their user's privacy. Privacy means a lot to quite a bit of people, me included.

If the post office is aware that you are mailing drugs, then yes, they are liable.
You argue as if MU just ignored DMCA requests, they did not.
You obviously haven't read the indictment. They weren't totally ignoring the takedown requests yes, but they were knowingly assisting and profiting off content they knew was copyrighted.
>> You really want a source for the fact that his site was a piracy haven? Are you that naïve?

IANAL but I figure that for the law to be upheld in an unbiased manner it must be considered naive for all intents and purposes. Simply because that's really not an argument at all, no part in the process can just come up and say "you are being naive not to believe my allegations".

Naivete, common sense, good judgment... those are really just "recourse to infinity" type arguments that only serve the speaker and have no objective meaning whatsoever. They must have no place in applying the law.

He may in reality be guilty as hell (legally of course he is not yet...) but that doesn't mean the law can take shortcuts. What is up with the illegal search warrants?

That is the sort of stuff that people should be concerned about. If they were going about this in a reasonable fashion I'm sure the vast majority of us would not be concerned. Do it properly, and if he is found guilty then so be it, and if he is innocence then so be it. Just do it properly.

Yes. The government can railroad guilty people as well as innocent people.

In fact, it can be worse when they railroad guilty people, because the next time the government cuts corners, people will just think "oh, it's okay, the government wouldn't bring a case unless they had proof. Remember the last guy who claimed that? He was guilty, too."

Dotcom is completely guilty AFAIC, but the state still has the burden to prove that guilt beyond a reasonable doubt to a jury of his peers.

Exactly right. Railroading obviously guilty people concerns me greatly. That's how mob justice works, and it is the reason mob justice is generally seen as unappealing.
What I'm sick of is there are people who choose to ignore the facts, and idolize this man who's entire history for the last two decades revolves around criminal activities and lawsuits.

Providing paid access to pirated content is bad? Maybe hollywood should have taken that business model to heart.