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by Der_Einzige 569 days ago
Forced voting is proof of it. Australia is by far the least free Anglo nation. I will never step foot on that god forsaken island.

They have no culture, and that’s the opinion of Australians: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Lucky_Country

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Australian_Ugliness

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Ha! We have compulsory voting but unlike many Anglo countries we don't require voter ID, vote registration etc. In fact you do not need to provide any ID to vote, because voting fraud is so statistically low (see https://www.rmit.edu.au/news/factlab-meta/voting-fraud-negli...). We simply provide a name and address and fill out the ballot.

We have so many issues, but compulsory voting is not one of them, in my opinion. If you feel so strongly to not vote you can abstain by an informal vote like roughly 5% of the country does on any given election (https://www.aec.gov.au/Voting/Informal_Voting/) or simply pay the AU$20 (roughly US$13) fine like apparently around 5-10% of Australians do on any given election (https://www.aec.gov.au/Elections/non-voters.htm).

In my view, and in the view of many Australians, people encouraging further "freedom" to not vote are attempting to suppress votes, a major issue in the United States and other countries with optional voting.

In Australia they ask to see your ID but you can say you don’t have it on you. I think they mostly just ask for ID so it’s easier to look up your name with the correct spelling.
Counter anecdote, I’ve never been asked for id when voting in South Australia or NSW in my 20 year voting history
Me neither, in Qld.
They don't. Source: Australian citizen that has voted many times.
...in the same election? Seriously, if they don't ask for any id, how do they prevent fraud?
You get your name + address marked off the roll when you go to vote. If you get your name marked off multiple times it would indicate fraud.
So, I can save my neighbors a hassle and a $20 fine by appearing at the polls for them?
The state I live in has an average of about 4 elections a year. Sometimes as many as 8.

Being required to vote in all of them would be a large burden.

Stopping people suppressing votes should not be solved by taking away freedoms.
You won't win any arguments with Australians on forced voting. The major parties would love to kill it, but it is something the (forced) voters will refuse to give up. It may not be 'free', but it helps keep things free.

If you are going to cite sources about 1960's Australian culture, back in the oppressive dark ages of 'White Australia', make sure you compare it with other 1960's cultures. Or try some sources from this millennium that have come to terms with not being part of the British Empire.

> Forced voting is proof of it.

Forced voting is a net benefit, the biggest being that it forces parties to the center rather than having to say/promise stupid stuff to appeal to the fringes that have firm political positions (see: USA). Mandatory voting + preferential voting, alongside a well-run independent election commission has resulted in very high trust in our democratic process.

Compulsory voting means that a large part of the electorate that doesn’t pay attention to politics is easily frightened by scare campaigns.

An example of this is that Australia is sorely in need of tax reform, but any party that pushes for it at state or federal level is damaged at the polls, often fatally.

Then how did John Howard get the GST passed?
He lost a lot of seats in the 1998 election and suffered a big swing against him.
You have to remember, Australia as a nation is young, and has an interesting history - forced migration of convicts, high levels of immigration (IIRC 25% of the population are 1st or 2nd generation immigrants), and of course the difficulty of dealing with colonial treatment of the Aboriginal population. "No culture" is patently absurd; everywhere with people has a culture.

And on mandatory voting: yes, in one way, that's a curtailment of freedom, but in another way, it's enshrining freedom.

Australia is one of the freest countries in the world:

https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/freest-co...

Higher than UK and the US.

In day to day life we are fairly free but for example we have much weaker freedom of speech/opinion than the USA. For example if you raise your arm at a particular angle you can now be sent to jail [1].

We also had some of the longest/harshet COVID lockdowns in the world in my state.

[1] - https://www.dw.com/en/australia-man-convicted-for-performing...

> if you raise your arm at a particular angle you can now be sent to jail

Also known as doing a Nazi salute.

> Higher than UK

Not according to https://rsf.org/en/index or https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Press_Freedom_Index

I assume that other indices that show “data” that fits whatever narrative one wants are easy to find…

Which makes things like this meaningless in isolation.

Compulsory voting seems to push against the current trend of political polarization. Also, not sure Australia is, or wants to be, an "Anglo nation".
It’s not polarised, but it is quite sclerotic.