[FuckButtons]

It’s quite easy to separate out the ccp from the Chinese people, even if the former would rather you didn’t.

Chinas people have done many praiseworthy things throughout history. The ccp doesn’t deserve any reflected glory from that.

No one should be so naive as to think that a party that is so fearful of free thought, that it would rather massacre its next generation of leaders and hose off their remains into the gutter, would not stoop to manipulating people’s thoughts with a new generation of technology.

[rfoo]

This "CCP vs people" model almost always lead to very poor result, to the point that there's no people part anymore: some would just exaggerate and consider CCP has complete control over everything China, so every researcher in China is controlled by CCP and their action may be propaganda, and even researchers in the States are controlled by CCP because they may still have grandpa in China (seriously, WTF?).

I fully agree with this "CCP is CCP, Chinese are Chinese" view. Which means Alibaba is run by Chinese, not CCP. Same for BYD, DJI and other private entities in China. Yes, private entities face a lot of challenges in China (from CCP), but they DO EXIST.

Yet random guys on the orange site consistently say that "everything is state-owned and controlled by CCP", and by this definition, there is no Chinese people at all.

[ahartmetz]

It's probably much more true for strategically important companies than for your average Chinese person that they are in some way controlled by the Party. There was recently an article about the "China 2025" initiative on this here orange website. One of its focus areas is AI.

[zztop44]

Isn’t every government putting out a policy paper making AI a focus area? Why is it suddenly nefarious when China does it?

[rfoo]

Which is why we started to have weird national-lab-alike organizations in China releasing models, for example InternLM [0] and BAAI [1]. CCP won't outsource its focus areas to the private sector. Are they competent? I don't know, certainly less than QWen and DeepSeek for now.

[0] https://huggingface.co/internlm

[1] https://huggingface.co/BAAI

[ksynwa]

Private entities face challenges from CCP? I don't think this is true as a blanket statement. For example Evergrande did not receive bailouts for their failed investments which checks out with your statement. But at the same time US and EU have been complaining about state subsidies to Chinese electric car makers giving them an unfair advantage. I guess they help sectors which they see as strategically important.

[NicoJuicy]

Pretty bad example regarding Alibaba and the CCP

https://www.cna.org/our-media/indepth/2024/09/fused-together...

https://www.fastcompany.com/90834906/chinas-government-is-bu...

https://www.business-standard.com/world-news/alibaba-disclos...

https://time.com/5926062/jack-ma/