[throwawaycities]

Obviously some plants die and others don’t in harvesting.

Mostly the “even broccoli screams when you rip it from the ground” is a joke more often than actual trolling.

I think the valid moral argument is that as a result of modern agricultural practices substantially more animals are killed than animal husbandry. Usually the counter-arguments involves moving the moral goal posts by valuing farm animals over “pests and insects”, or blaming the modern agricultural practices and suggesting organic farming cures those harms.

[luqtas]

like all meat we produce is grass fed... livestock lives out of grains in a high % and if you want to take all meat production to free-roam practices, good luck destroying the entire planet for that

[spookie]

I don't think the aim would be to be able to achieve the same level of production that way :)

[luqtas]

glad you answered.

what's your opinion on the dialogue between people producing eggs in battery-cages (those classic confined chickens) vs. free-roam ones? so far the discussion points out to _way_ more disease spread in free ones, leading to more suffering and death, specially when we are doing in a commercial scale. wild animals killing those free roam animals also occurs. so far the science on battery-cages went far as: sizing perfectly the cages so you don't have cases of cannibalism between them because they are stressed, decent ventilation........ red meat is also confined for a lot of months before their death to receive proper treatment to not screw the population that's eating their meat. that's also involves tons and tons of (insectoid murder) grains & please don't forget that free-roam practices, considering the amount of land they use, i wouldn't get surprised that the pesticides/herbicides used on the grass fields prior to cows introduction kills a comparable if not more amount of insects vs. plantae/fungi production

seriously, this insect rights argument is pure bullshit from people trying to justify their holocaust-like-inducing diet

[spookie]

Look, I don't think you would want to produce at the same level. Because of the reason you stated.

[throwawaycities]

This is such a great response that perfectly reflects the moving of the moral goal posts that deflects the moral culpability. Thank you.