[WindyMiller]

> They’re articles of fashion.

Hard to square this with:

> There are legitimate criticisms of Musk and Tesla. "I don't like how someone else's car looks" is not one of them.

Whether or not other people like your look is of course not the be-all and end-all of fashion, but it's certainly relevant. "I don't like how it looks" is a legitimate criticism of an article of fashion.

[s1artibartfast]

I think this is an interesting point. What IS a criticism of fashion, and how should it be taken?

"I dont like how this looks" isnt a universal truth, and isn't a prescription for others.

It seems like with the CT, there is a vocal group of people who seem upset that others like them and that they exist at all. I seems to extend from "I dont like how it looks, and you cant either."

I think they look cool and fun. Cost an utility wise, I'll take my contractor truck every time. I understand however that other people have more money and different priorities.

I suspect what people are actually bothered by is the underlying reality that some people simply have an extra $80k to drop on a truck because that is cool and fun for them.

[WindyMiller]

That doesn't explain why the Cybertruck bothers people more than other expensive things. And the rich have always been ready to express horror at the tastes of the poor (and even more so, the tastes of the slightly less rich). It can't all be about feeling hard done by.

I think people tend to be grumpier about things they consider ugly if those things take up a large amount of public space. People get similarly riled by brutalist architecture.

But really, there's nothing new about people having strong feelings about other people's tastes. Fashion is as much about communication as personal pleasure.

[s1artibartfast]

I wasn't indending to explain the whole CT phenomenon. I was mostly intending to explore the concept of fashion/taste criticism in general. Namely what people expect it to communicate, and what people expect as a response. With fashion, you often dont want or care about others adopting your taste. It can be about control, but isnt always.

I think the CT hate taps into something more deeper than fashion for most people, relating to politics and culture conflict. It makes people angry in a way at more expensive and even less practical Maserati doesn't.