[benreesman]

In fairness to the fly.io folks (who are extremely serious hackers), they’re standing up a whole cloud provider and they’ve priced it attractively and they’re much customer-friendlier than most alternatives.

I don’t envy the difficulty of doing this, but I’m quite confident they’ll iron the bugs out.

[redslazer]

The tech is impressive and the pricing is attractive which is why we use them. I just wish there was less black magic.

[benreesman]

I don’t always agree with @tptacek on social/political issues, and I don’t always agree with @xe on the direction of Nix, but these are legends on the technical side of things. And they’re trying to build an equitable relationship between the user of cloud services and the provider, not fund a private space program.

If I were in the market for cloud services I’d highly prize a long-term relationship on mutual benefit and fair dealings over a short-term nuisance of being an early adopter.

I strongly suspect your investment in fly is going to pay off.

[xena]

Xe here. As a sibling comment said, I didn't survive layoffs. If you're looking for someone like me, I'm on the market!

[benreesman]

Hiring people is above my pay grade, but I can vouch to my lords and masters and anyone else who cares what I think that a legend is up for grabs.

[e-mail]

[xena]

I'd email but I'm about to pass out in bed. Please see https://xeiaso.net/contact/ in case I don't get back to you in the morning.

[tptacek]

I'm several steps removed from day-to-day engineering at this point; the team working on this is much better than I am. It's just a very hard problem; biting it off is something you can certainly blame me for, though.

(Also: not a legend, just loud.)

[benreesman]

I may be the minority on this view, but I think that it's possible to be both a recognized expert aka legend and loud ("visible" might be a kinder word).

When you talk technology, I listen, and I doubt I'm alone in that. Keep up the good work with fly.io!

[verelo]

I want to believe, but in the meantime they’re killing the product I’ve been working hard to build trust with my own customers though. There is a limit to my idealism, and it’s well and truly in the past.

[foldr]

I suspect that making a cloud service provider run reliably requires tons of grunt work more than it requires technical heroism from a small number of highly talented individuals.

[tptacek]

Yes.

[reissbaker]

FWIW Xe was let go from Fly earlier this year during a round of layoffs.

[benreesman]

Unfortunate. Xe rocks.

[sevenseacat]

In fairness to the fly.io folks, we started using them three years ago-ish and not a lot has changed, bug-wise and downtime-wise.