[jpk]

Do people really use the "11 days" thing in defense of javascript? I get that it was rushed into production, and all things considered, that was probably the appropriate thing to do given its intended use at the time. But it doesn't matter. I think we have to realize we've collectively failed by not developing an alternative to this tool that clearly wasn't designed for the things modern web applications want/need.

[chris_wot]

There's nothing "clearly" about it. What in particular can't it do that you want it to do?