[shikck200]

Does anyone really FTP files like its 2003? Even in PHP you deploy with some sort of tool, like docker etc. The reload page thing is pretty much solved in all languages with a watcher. entr is a universal one, thats written in C and fast as anything.

The thing (most) other languages have is unicode support and concurrency. In PHP there is basically none of these.

Fast? You mean fast as in CPU bound tasks? 99.99% of PHP code is slow because of IO, and without any concurrency all the other languages beat PHP easily. If you need CPU bound work, you would not pick PHP (or any other scripting language) anyway.

In most benchmarks PHP (with Laravel/Symfony) is barely doing 500req/sec. Compare this to languages in the same space (like nodejs/python) and they run the same program and can serve 10K-30K req/sec.

Having said that python (a slow langauge) is still capable of doing heavy CPU bound tasks with libraries like numpy. Im not aware if PHP can install C dependencies with composer, like you can with pip.

[Implicated]

Sir, PHP can fly.

- https://www.php.net/manual/en/book.ffi.php

While I'm at it:

- https://pecl.php.net/package/tensor

- https://rubixml.com/

- https://github.com/RubixML/Tensor

[shikck200]

Seems like that requires some sort of ad-hoc PHP extension. These are not in the standard PHP distribution? I would not want to rely on some random PHP extension that maintained by a single guy for anything production grade. Compare that to something like tensorflow thats backed by a HUGE community of maintainers.

[Kiro]

Link those benchmarks please. Both 500 and 10k-30k seem extremely low.

[shikck200]

That was a ballpark estimation, and while pure req/sec is usually irrelevant, it still comes in when the load starts to increase and you need to squeeze every last drop of perf.

PHP usually is doing poorly, even with its "cache", and when you realize that PHP devs actually are not PHP devs, but framework (like laravel/symfony) devs you need to account for the overhead of the framework too.

But you can have a look at the framework benchmarks game:

https://www.techempower.com/benchmarks/#section=data-r21&hw=...

[igouy]

I think they'd prefer not to be confused with the benchmarks game ;-)

https://benchmarksgame-team.pages.debian.net/benchmarksgame/...