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by mulmen 580 days ago
> The per pax price here would be astronomical. Starship launches are in the tens of millions of dollars per launch, and human rated spacecraft vehicles cost even more. Even if you are putting a thousand people onto the spacecraft (which is a stretch), you are looking at 10s to 100s of thousands of dollars per ticket.

That’s the case today but they’re essentially all disposable so far. If it meets expectations the cost will be much lower, approaching the cost of fuel.

According to Quora (yuck, I know) fully fueling a Starship snd Super Heavy costs about $1m [1] and a 747 is about $200k [2]. If Starship can carry 1,000 people that’s $1,000 per passenger in fuel. A 747-8 can carry up to about 600 people for $333.00 per passenger.

3x the price in fuel is something but Starship can get to orbit on that fuel load which means anywhere on earth. The 747-8 can “only” go about a third of the way around the earth on a full tank. So it’s within the realm of economic possibility especially considering the enormous time savings.

If all we cared about was fuel efficiency we’d use trains and boats for long distance travel. Time is money.

> It's a neat idea, but like all the neat ideas in the thread mentioned so far it's all marketing. Run the numbers yourself, think through the externalities. It's not like air transport at all.

Correct. The difference is more like an airplane vs an ocean liner or train.

I agree it is impractical but it is a reason for rapid reusability.

A smaller version of something like Starship could be more practical for earth-to-earth service.

It’s already the case that some people can’t fly for health reasons. Space travel won’t be for everyone but the fact is availability will continue to expand.

[1]: https://www.quora.com/What-does-it-cost-to-fully-fuel-a-Spac...

[2]: https://www.quora.com/How-much-does-it-cost-to-fill-a-747-je...