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by cerodev 584 days ago
Feels odd that the effort is against misinformation and not the root cause itself. Quite often it feels like misinformation is more important, or at least talked about more
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The big negotiation going on in COP29 is funding for mitigation and adaptation, not the root cause, not stopping/lowering fossil fuel emissions, but if you get hit by a superstorm you get financing on repair of the broken infrastructure.

That is throwing the towel in my book. Nothing will be done so at least we can try to rebuild something after it got destroyed/sunk/whatever, and it doesn't deal with the middle or long term consequences of this keeping going on and worsening.

You gotta carve a path through the Meat Shield o' Mooks before you can effectively battle their Boss.
Unless the Boss reanimates them faster than you can carve through them...

I think a some of the opposition in the US is simply people who hate East Coast values, so they oppose it to the degree that coastal elites push it. Having spent some time in New England, I can understand that even if I that is foolish way to act: New England seems to be pretty self-righteous in their views of how things should be, and everyone else is just wrong and it's them, those unrighteous people who oppose our views that are holding back society, and we should fix it by passing laws to force them to do it our way. (Colin Woodard calls this "Yankeedom" in his book "American Nations" and posits that American politics is historically the Yankees (which includes places settled by Yankees, so the West coast and the mid north to Minnesota) trying to push something and everyone else resisting it.)

If I'm correct in this, then one would find less opposition by talking about it less and trying less to force people to change. A lot of Red states are adopting wind and solar because it's more cost-effective; every time I visit Oklahoma I see more wind farms, despite conspiracy theories being the local truths. And I've never heard anyone complain about the wind farms, either. If electric cars were noticeably cheaper, I think even conspiracy-theory Republicans would find a way to justify purchasing one.

I'm late in reply but live in OK. We are the top wind energy producer in the country, at least we were in the recent past. We have A LOT of wind. It's a huge boom for our state which is historically mentioned along with Oil and Gas.

I've not heard a word in opposition to this. It's sad to me that there seems to be reality on the ground and political reality, and they aren't the same thing.

It's not odd at all. It's just the method by which they plan to criminalize their political opposition. They don't talk about the root cause because they are all liars themselves, and the only thing they care about persecuting their enemies. Addressing the causes will hit uncomfortably close to home.

Brazil's president, the exact same guy who this article claims is "leading the new international effort against climate change", has literally admitted in front of cameras that he goes to events like these and just makes up numbers on the spot. He goes to places, preferably places filled with foreigners, and just starts spouting nonsense statistics. This event was probably no exception. His ministers also engage in this healthy tradition, not too long ago one of them was claiming a hundred million brazilians were dying of hunger. They'll say anything if it gets them what they want.

I don't even have any particular objections to their pathological lying. They're politicians, that's what they do. It gets ridiculous though when they start accusing their opponents of "fake news", when they start trying to criminalize it. To me it's just beyond absurd to watch this particular guy and his people object to "misinformation" of all things.

Misinformation is the clearly the most important power.