[exoverito]

The significant increase in non-binary gender identity and rapid onset gender dysphoria suggests there's a cultural factor at work. A 2021 systematic review found mixed results for transgender brain structures mirroring their self-identified sex, with most neuroanatomical measures mapping to their birth sex.

Though I agree with you that development is messy. We should be much more concerned about exposing children to endocrine disruptors, micro-plastics, and bizarre social dogmas.

[seltzered_]

Where is your worldview on ROGD coming from?

It's been a rather contentious topic, and sciam has even written about some of the issues: https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/evidence-undermin... ( https://archive.ph/N1nAR )

"The American Psychological Association and 61 other health care providers’ organizations signed a letter in 2021 denouncing the validity of rapid-onset gender dysphoria (ROGD) as a clinical diagnosis" -> https://www.caaps.co/rogd-statement

[pfdietz]

> a cultural factor at work

For example, recognition of the existence of the syndrome and reduction in social stigma. Kind of like how the rate of homosexuality increases when you stop subjecting them to vivisection.

[the_why_of_y]

For historical precendent, rate of people in US identifying as left-handed went from 4% in 1900 to 12% in 1950, and remained constant since then.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FChMzOFVkAAKsgp?format=jpg

[Manuel_D]

So a 3x increase over 50 years for left-handedness.

By comparison there's been a 40-50x increase in gender clinic patients in just 11 years from ~100 patients in 2011 to 5000 patients in 2022: https://segm.org/images/280UK_22.svg

[the_why_of_y]

I'm arguing that there's a qualitative analogy of an increase in rates eventually leading to a plateau, and you're turning it into a quantitative argument?

The point here is that if there's discrimination against certain characteristics, there will be individuals that will deny part of their identity to the outside world.

[Manuel_D]

But discrimination against trans individuals has by most measures increased. Bathroom bills, many states categorized gender medicine in minors as child abuse, etc. Polls asking people of they agree that gender can be changed has decreased over time: https://www.pewresearch.org/social-trends/2022/06/28/america...

So whatever is causing trans identification to increase ~250x faster than left-handedness is happening despite increasing discrimination against trans individuals.

[siden]

These aren't intended to unfairly discriminate against the trans-identified. The purpose is to protect female spaces (which males really have no right to enter), and prevent medical harm to children by doctors with gender identity ideological beliefs.

Actual discrimination would be things like, repealing laws that protect individuals with a trans identity from being refused housing or employment because of that identity (or expression thereof). As far as I know, no-one is pushing any bills that would do this.

[pfdietz]

Nice example.