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by lucianbr 584 days ago
I think people who say education is the solution to democracy, or in particular to the people voting someone the spearker does not like, mean "educate more people to believe what I believe".

It's clearly a good solution from the perspective of that speaker - more people would vote the same way they do, so the "right" people would get elected, "right" policies would happen and so on.

Meh, if this avoiding the "definition of good" is really the problem, then the likes of Putin and Xi and Trump will fix us. They clearly think they know exactly what's good for everyone, and are willing to do most anything to achieve it. Doubtful they will make the world a better place, but who knows. I guess we'll find out.
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mdp2021 584 days ago
No, it is the very hard obvious fact that empowering the ignorant (with power over the rest) is a very bad idea.
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myrmidon 584 days ago
Who gets to define what "ignorance" is, though?

Because to me it appears that you just give the "ignorant" peoples power to someone else, and if your goal is to keep being a democracy, then this sort of power redistribution is almost certain to screw your system over in the long term.

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lucianbr 584 days ago
Clearly not everyone agrees with your opinion. Calling it "very hard obvious fact" changes nothing. Maybe add some caps, see if that helps.

Are you not worried in any way about needing to answer everything with "no"? Is this a discussion or are we here to be told by you what the truth is?

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mdp2021 584 days ago
It is not an opinion: you do not choose it among alternatives. You have to look at it and see. "Giving the ignorant power over the rest is dangerous". Try to argue the opposite, you'll probably have to go into quite some effort to produce some good arguments.

> Are you not worried in any way about needing to answer everything with "no"?

No, I trust you with understanding the sense. (It's not a need, it just works in formulation.)

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lucianbr 584 days ago
> You have to look at it and see.

And your vision is perfect, while everyone else's is flawed? How lucky for you. No need to present arguments, just let us know what you see, and that what you see is the "very hard obvious truth".

Have a little self-awareness man.

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mdp2021 584 days ago
> How lucky for you

Yes, surely it is a very good position - but it's not just plain luck, it comes from lots of training.

> No need to present arguments

The argument is there, you missed it: "If you do not find X a «hard obvious fact», try arguing for the opposite".

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