[ksec]

I wonder if there are any work on making something similar ( conceptually ) to TCP, super / sub set of TCP while offering 50-80% benefits of HOMA.

I guess I am old. Everytime I see new tech that wants to be hyped, completely throw out everything that is widely supported and working for 80-90% of uses cases, not battle tested and may be conceptually complex I will simply pass.

[Sebb767]

If you have a sufficiently stable network and/or known failure cases, you can already tune TCP quite a bit with nodelay, large congestion windows etc.. There's also QUIC, which basically is a modern implementation of TCP on top of UDP (with some trade-offs chosen with HTTP in mind). Once you stray too far, you'll loose the ability to use off-the-shelve hardware, though, at which point you'll quickly hit the point of diminishing returns - especially when simply upgrading the speed of the network hardware is usually a cheap alternative.

[mananaysiempre]

One issue with QUIC in e.g. C is how heavyweight it feels to use compared to garden-variety BSD sockets (and that’s already not the most ergonomic of APIs). I haven’t encountered a QUIC library that didn’t feel like it would absolutely dominate a simple application in both code size and API-design pressure. Of course, for large applications that’s less relevant, but the result is that switching to QUIC gets perceived as a Big Deal, a step for when you’re doing Serious Stuff. That’s not ideal.

I’d love to just play with QUIC a bit because it’s pretty neat, but I always get distracted by this problem and end up reading the RFCs, which so far I haven’t had the patience to get through.

[mikepurvis]

QUIC feels very pragmatic in terms of being built on UDP. As a lay person I don’t have a sense what additional gains might be on the table if the UDP layer were also up for reconsideration.

[soneil]

UDP has very low cost, the header is pretty much source and dest ports. For this low, low price, you get compatibility with existing routing, firewalling, NAT, etc.