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by exe34 581 days ago
they need to capture as much Russian soil as they can, and when the orange man and the other clown tell them to freeze the border, Ukraine can say sure, if you insist!
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Not sure how much additional real estate they can capture due to limited resources (especially manpower).

But this gives them a better chance of holding what they have and destroying the Russian logistics and infrastructure.

Hopefully the European powers and the UK will lift any restrictions that they have imposed and provide additional supplies.

whatever they're going to do, they have two months. I really hope they manage to get a reasonable deal out of this. I personally think giving up land should come with full NATO membership or at least the kind of mutual defence that the UK signed with Finland and Sweden on their way into NATO.
Ukrainians loose soil everyday. I’m not sure what happens in your reality though.
in my reality, they captured a small piece of Kursk - how did it go in yours?
They did capture ~2% of the Kursk region and lost much more in Donbass. They keep loosing everyday.
That's right, and imagine Putin giving up land - it's not going to happen. If Ukraine wants any of their own land back, they have to hold on to the Russian land.

Personally I think for the sake of survival they should consider giving up on the land they've lost but join NATO and have our nukes stationed there for their protection from further attacks.

From what I understand, that is actually a reasonably strong prevailing opinion in Ukraine. They're not keen on relinquishing their claim on any part of their land, but they would consider leaving it under Russian control in a peace deal, and what's not at all optional is some form of security guarantee that meaningfully deters Russia from trying again (but than NATO hasn't actually offered, and it seems like they think they can leave that question until after peace has happened, which conflicts with Ukraine's view that it's a 100% prerequisite for peace).
Do you really hope that Russia will "exchange" tens of thousands of km2 to hundreds of km2?
no, I know that Putin will not give up any land - he's too proud for that.
You really think people who are dragged to the trenches by press gangs [1] will "capture soil"? The video is by RFERL, BTW, as Western as it gets. Not "FSB propaganda".

[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xnw2Abqmu64

You are peeing against the wind by talking logic here. I witnessed the same rabid propaganda by Americans for Iraq war and same rabid propaganda for Syrian war, for Libyan war, for Afghanistan...

They don't care. It's not their lives or their family or their land

The Ukrainians want their land and their people back. As long as they're willing to fight, I'll support them. The day they decide to give up and let the genocidal Russians sweep across their country, it'll be their decision.
Genocidal Russians? Russia hosts the largest Ukrainian refugee population.
Wow! It's crazy. Just think about - no Russian invasion equals no refugees. Isn't it mind-blowing? Russia is sadly a warmonger nation, apparently even more so than imperialist USA. Something that won't ever be forgotten now.
"refugee" from the war they started and are carrying out? Has the UN been allowed in to meet these "refugees"? Or are they prisoners?
Russia hosts the largest Ukrainian refugee population.

Absolutely false - Russia has about 1.7 million, other countries some 6 million.

Whatever source you got that verbal snippet from is messing with your head.

it sounds more like he's trying to start that rumour and isn't getting very far with it....
https://www.statista.com/statistics/1312584/ukrainian-refuge...

Russia #1

Germany #2

Poland #3

I dont know if you guys are just trolling, genuinely braindead retards or official astroturfers from the 3 letter soups

they've already liberated a part Kursk from the Grand Duchy of Moscow.
You need to check the updated maps. And that was SOF folks, who are all dead now.
They're still holding on to some Kursk.