[llm_trw]

The funny thing is that Thinkpads got their reputation during the period that they were nose diving in quality.

There hasn't been a decent one since the t440 and the only way to get that to a good standard was by modding the hell out of it.

The t61 was the last good one.

Framework is not quite at that quality but it's better than any other laptop made in the last 10 years.

[AstroJetson]

'Looks over at stack of T61 15" display refurbished laptops'

Yup, the are awesome, I'm on my second decade of driving them, should be able to get another decade out of the supply.

[hbogert]

I'm not sure why you'd say that. Framework still hasn't gotten their s0ix standby stuff fixed for all generations.

Used a t480s for 5 years and it was awesome. And now my t14 gen3 is doing pretty fine as well. What are the issues you are running into?

[meribold]

What's better about the T440 compared to the successors up to the T480? I'd consider the T440 a low point due to the lack of TrackPoint buttons.

[llm_trw]

You could quite easily use a t420 keyboard in a t440 with a few pins masked which was the last traditional thinkpad keyboard.

Actually I may be getting the numbers wrong, it could be the t430 that I was thinking about. It's been rather a long time since I did any brain surgery on thinkpads.