[sswaner]

Rather than call the Amazon execs liars and sadists perhaps consider that the senior execs (Andy and his directs) believe that they are responsible for crafting a successful company. It is far more plausible that they believe that while it may have worked to have remote workers, that they WANT a company that has the features of an in-office culture and feel it is within their right to take that path.

Unless you think that you would be a lying sadist if you rose the ranks to senior leadership, why do you think that the Amazon leaders are somehow different?

[0xbadcafebee]

Actually I was being charitable. I was only assuming their decision is from spite. If I also assumed they thought this was good for the company in the long run, I'd have to assume they were idiots.

There is no rational, data-driven argument against optional remote work. Even the one downside of it (not getting promoted) could be solved by an employee just opting to go into the office.

Everything else is a plus, for the company and the employee. The company saves on real estate, salaries, can hire anywhere in the world, and gets increased productivity [and profit]. The employee gets flexible hours, choice of living arrangements, and improved quality of life, which then benefits the company as improved morale/loyalty.

[Wytwwww]

> There is no rational, data-driven argument against optional remote work

If we ignore tangentially relevant (from the company's perspective) stuff like employee wellbeing etc. the same could be said about WFH.

[consteval]

Sure, but employees are not machines and companies should realize this. Amazon is getting far too comfortable biting the hand that feeds them. Employees aren't underlings of your company; they ARE your company. The fact they all got together is what makes it a company. So, what happens if you hurt them?

[93po]

I feel like you inadvertently touched on the part we're upset about: this is happening because a bunch of extremely wealthy privileged people want some experience in a company for their satisfaction. Not because it's the best way to run a business or to maximize profits, but because it just feels good for them.

This is upsetting in a world where I need my job to not be homeless, to feed my family, and have really basic things like healthcare. My ability to literally just stay alive is being interfered with by the whims of corporate royalty.

[geodel]

> My ability to literally just stay alive is being interfered with by the whims of corporate royalty.

Oh please. You can choose from tons of low paying job which do not have offices (mainly to save costs) and are permanently remote. What you seem to be looking is Amazon level salaries but none of Amazon like workplace rules.

[93po]

so i have to uproot my job, career, possibly move cities, find new schools for all my kids, and spend tens of thousands on moving costs because a bunch of amazon execs want to swing their dick around?

my point is they are interfering. not that they aren't legally allowed to, or that i can't find work elsewhere. they're making the lives of thousands of people really difficult because of personal preferences, which is my problem.