[calvinmorrison]

The thing is you can chose to write perl in a way that doesn't suck. The problem with TMTOWTDI is that with 18 people in a code base.... well its best to have a set of conventions when writing perl. Let's all agree to use 5.x.x with these features for example

[kamaal]

These days you can TMTOWTDI in Python as well though.

The TMTOWTDI argument was valid in very early stages of Perl vs Python debate, like some what between 2000 - 2006 etc.

These days Python is just Perl with mandatory tab indentation. Python is no longer that small language, with small set of syntactical features. C++/Java etc in the meanwhile have gotten even more TMTOWTDI heavy over the years.

[calvinmorrison]

I don't really work with python often enough but as for php there's usually one boring way to do it. We eschew generally more fun stuff like array operations because for loops work and the intent is vlear