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by nikisweeting 589 days ago
If they are smart and value their brain health, I have found that it sometimes helps to inform someone in a manic episode that prolonged mania (and especially full blown manic psychosis) leads to excitotoxicity and is actually acutely damaging to the brain.

I explain that mania often feels really good! It can feel like "everything is really important and meaningful" all of a sudden, and that "there is a greater truth that they see clearly now". I ask if they think they are experiencing something like that? I ask if they care about limiting potential long term damage to their brain. I try to offer a selection of choices of ways to come down from mania safely: e.g. would you be ok doing a group call with a doctor to discuss ways to limit damage? would you be comfortable taking some seroquel/lithium/GABA-ergic drug with medical supervision? what about trying to get some sleep? etc. Steer clear of stimulants/weed/psychedelics, they usually make mania worse.

Another common effect of mania is tanked working memory, it's very hard to avoid thought loops or stay on a single train of thought for more than a few minutes. If you find discussions sliding backwards or repeating often, help them externalize their working memory on a whiteboard, paper, voice memos, etc. so they can actually think clearly. The relief they experience from lowering working memory load / not having to re-derive every train of thought Memento-style helps a ton to lower combativeness + re-ground them in reality. If you have any experience with high dose psychedelics you can sort of model mania as a similar mental state and "tripsit" them in similar ways.

Keep in mind that even though their working memory is tanked, long-term memory is not, they will likely remember everything you say and do with them, and might take deceit personally for a long time. Set boundaries, prioritize your own health and security, but try to avoid forcing them / lying to them too much, it can backfire and damage real long-term trust.

You have to balance maintaining their trust with the reality that they may try to trick you / forget their own promises. If they agree to be driven to the hospital, discreetly child lock the doors to stop them getting out on the highway if they change their mind. If they agree to try to sleep in their room, make sure they cant climb out a balcony window, etc. they can't be fully trusted to not endanger their own life in this state.

Good luck and thank you for caring enough to help them. Video or write about parts of the experience (privately) and share it with them afterwards, they may appreciate seeing an objective record of what their mania looks like to others, to calibrate against what it feels like internally. If another episode happens in the future, pulling up those notes/videos can help convince them to get help sooner as it can help remind that it's an "episode" that can't last forever.

Diclaimer: I am not a trained professional in this area / this is not medical advice, it's just based on my own experiences / YMMV

Also when in doubt, call 988 (if in the USA). You will be connected with a real person who can help you de-escalate the situation and connect you with non-police resources.

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How can you differentiate (as in assess your own state of mind) as to whether a feeling that "there is a greater truth that they see clearly now" is mania or genuine appreciation? Like say you have been depressed for X weeks/months and have been mulling over philosophy/turning ideas in your head.

At some point ideas click and you realize something "obvious" that changes your perspective and you no longer feel as empty as you were before – is that mania indicative of the mind finally "breaking down", or a genuine breakthrough? And for that matter how does the feeling "everything is really important and meaningful" differ from the supposed state of "enlightenment"?

What are some tests you can perform on yourself to assess the difference (between mania/healthy appreciation)? If one is e.g. able to meditate and maintain concentration to a sufficient degree, does that rule out the possibility of mania?

>doing a group call with a doctor to discuss ways to limit damage

What are some non-pharmaceutical ways of doing this?

> How can you differentiate [mania] or genuine appreciation?

If you've done any 5-HT2A drug you'll know the distinct feeling I'm referring to. The telltale sign is that it's always the combo: "everything is really important/meaningful" + bad working memory.

If your working memory is solid and you can actually process long complex thought without reducing it to vibes or simple aphorisms then you're probably not manic. Also important to understand hypomanic != manic != full manic psychosis, they are very different levels of severity. Anything manic or above is very obvious, people around you will be able to tell something is up within 30sec.

> doing a group call with a doctor to discuss ways to limit damage

- sleep

- try keto / limiting sugar, hit or miss but works for some

- holding breath / breathwork (I wouldn't hyperventilate though)

- do things that you'd do to recover if you had a hangover / had just ran a marathon (it's essentially what your brain is doing)

(again I'm not a doctor, fact-check everything yourself)

Pharmaceuticals are at best a temporary weeks or months long bandaid. Any duration longer than that using pharmaceuticals to treat mental health is likely to cause brain damage.

Non-pharmaceutical ways are, drinking spring water, eating heavy root vegetables and foods, like potatos, cheese, carrots, grains and also spending time walking and sitting in nature. If someone has experience with mediation, then having the meditative intention to surrender to whatever one considers to be the highest power e.g. God, Allah, Buddha, Universe, Nature, Void is also extremely effective.

Source: My own experiences.