[fallingsquirrel]

You completely ignored the substantive part of my post, so I'll restate without distractions.

1. Do you believe that with these latest round of updates, our benevolent corporate overloads Google and Apple (both advertising companies to some extent) have at long last fully solved privacy, plugging every possible information leak and fixing every possible software bug, both present and future?

2. If you do, then do you think it's desirable that we expect every participant in modern society to enter into one-sided, legally-binding contracts with companies they've never heard of with every small action they take on a daily basis, and then use complicated technical measures to avoid fulfilling their end of those contracts?

[gruez]

>You completely ignored the substantive part of my post, so I'll restate without distractions.

I ignored those parts because you're moving the goalposts way past my original comment[1], which only objected to the claim that people were somehow coerced into having their location sold because the apps doing the tracking were providing "basic necessities". Is the fact you're using an iPhone, are visiting from an IP address that suggests you're in Kansas and using Verizon an "information leak"? I guess, by some definition. Is that anywhere close to getting your location tracked? Hardly.

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42117527

[fallingsquirrel]

The reason Apple and Google continually patch and change their rules is because they have been playing a cat and mouse game with bad actors who, for decades, have continued to find ways to siphon personal data off devices despite the technical restrictions in place.

You seem to have an awful lot of confidence that "iPhone" and "Kansas" are the only pieces of data any app can get from a device.

So can we say that you agree with #1: after decades of playing cat and mouse with advertisers and spyware authors, these latest updates from Apple and Google are the magical updates that finally completely solved privacy once and for all, and there will never be any bugs or mistakes or security holes ever again?