[vasco]

The fact that you have this grandiose idea about yourself that you transcended ego and are beyond basic judging of others or of yourself and so on doesn't give you pause to say that maybe that's a bit naive and ego-centered? How can someone declare themselves done with this? It's like someone telling me they achieved a state of never having a bad thought again, I know they are lying.

[speakfreely]

Lol I was just about to say this. It seems unlikely that someone that has transcended their ego would choose to spend their free time telling others what an accomplishment it has been.

Everyone typically has their imagined "edge", the thing that they believe makes them special and unique and superior in some way. Nerds look at jocks and say "they're athletic, but I am the smart one." Blue collar people look at rich people and say "They have a lot of money, but I know hard work and have principles." Everyone has some internal mental defense for why other people that are outperforming them aren't actually "better" than them because, hey, we're the main character!

It seems OP has just replaced one of these with a different version regarding ego shedding.

[psychoslave]

>Lol I was just about to say this. It seems unlikely that someone that has transcended their ego would choose to spend their free time telling others what an accomplishment it has been.

Currently I’m reading "La marche à la lumière – Entretiens du Bouddha"[1]. What is laughed at here precisely describe what the Buddha is making through the whole book. While apparently, just like Socrate, Buddha didn’t let any directly written legacy, it’s clear he has been attached to the notion of an egoless person discussing the topic with whoever would like to ask about it.

Now of course it doesn’t necessarily mean that the person laughed at went through some accomplishment. But whether they did or didn’t is not relevant. What matters here is can it be believed that some human accomplish an egoless experience of life and still continue to discuss with people who didn’t.

[1] https://www.babelio.com/livres/Shantideva-La-marchea-la-lumi...

[vasco]

That's exactly why I called it grandiose. Imagine reading about the Buddha and thinking you're able to just unlock the Dharma as if it were a StackOveflow badge, and then brag to people you got it.

[buttercraft]

FFS, they were asked to elaborate

[rsktaker]

This put into words something I've been thinking abstractly for a while. Thank you for your examples and explanation.

[ChrisClark]

The problem is that state cannot be expressed in words or cognition, because it isn't part of your mind. I cannot fully explain to you what it is like, I can only experience it myself.

Until you have the same experience, you will continue to doubt it in the exact way you currently are. And that's perfectly fine, and natural and still good.

It's like trying to describe a color in its actual raw experience, or describing red to a blind person. It cannot be put into words, only observed.

[robocat]

I super appreciate the effort to explain even though I'm probably as philosophically cynical as some other commentators!!!

It's certainly a hard topic to express.

[richie_adler]

> that state cannot be expressed in words or cognition, because it isn't part of your mind

What else can it be, if not a part of the mind of a state of it?

[hackable_sand]

This might be a useful metaphor for the future:

It is a canvas of a thousand brush strokes. Each time you look it becomes a new color.

[hshshshshsh]

I was just saying what I experienced. Previously I used to judge everyone. It has significantly reduced now. I used to be heavy introverted with people I don't know or don't interact with. Now I talk with pretty much anyone because there is less judgement. It also frees me up because I also don't care about whether they judge me.

Also never claimed I don't have bad thoughts. I did say I suffer from a lot of existential questions. But yes. Bad thoughts about day to day issues have significantly been reduced.

The inner monologue have been lowered on volume. Previously it was at 100 now it's at 4 or 5.

Old memories from past don't show up to affect the current movement.

All this means a higher allocation of bandwidth in consciousness for current movement. There is nothing grandiose here

I still meditate. I still listen to teachers like Adyashanti. I think there is a lot of work remaining to be done.

[weft]

Did I miss where they claimed absolute perfection in shedding their egotism or something? Because this interpretation of self-reformation after an actually humbling admission of having once lived in devotion to narcissism as being braggartry is what screams insecure egotism to me.