[MattHeard]

> It doesn't have to be actively not fun either, but the primary feeling should be that of effort.

Karpathy clearly wrote something different that what you say he wrote.

[namaria]

Selective quoting is fun!

Here's my take: "Learning is not supposed to be fun."

"Not supposed to be fun" has a clear meaning. "It doesn't have to be actively not fun" doesn't have a meaning. No one ever says "actively not fun". It's a cop out to pretend like he's not presenting a false dichotomy, and I can see right through it.