[tmottabr]

MTProto is the protocol used for secure chats, that is the name of their E2E encryption..

If you do not enable E2E it will not use MTProto and not have E2E encryption.

And all of this is only available for private chats, none is available for groups chats..

[Tiberium]

I'm sorry, but MTProto isn't just used for E2E chats. It's the actual main protocol that Telegram uses for everything. And yes, for non-secure chats there will be no E2E, but the question was about encryption, not end to end encryption.

[tmottabr]

communication between client and server is always encrypted and they don't even need MTProto for that, a simple TLS connection would be more then enough, and likely better. Also, that is likely true for all modern messaging apps..

The question proposed is that Telegram was monitoring private chats on the client side, but they do not need to do that unless E2E is enabled..

If you do not have E2E enabled then everything you send is in the open while in their servers..

So, if you do not have private chat enabled then Telegram does not need to make any type of client side monitoring, they can just monitor what is going trough their servers because it is all in the open..

[Tiberium]

I think at this point the post I was first replying to was lost :) I wasn't replying to the OP post, I was replying to https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42083385