[flopriore]

Yeah, spoiler vote brings to 2 parties (like the US). Although the current electoral college doesn't work well, I'm not sure the Americans would prefer to remove it completely and rather use directly popular vote because in the rural areas they don't want to be "governed" by the decisions of big cities.

What do you think about keeping the electoral college and use IRV instead?

[xnx]

> in the rural areas they don't want to be "governed" by the decisions of big cities.

And cities don't want to be governed by the outsized importance of small population states (Wyoming)

[elcritch]

> Although the current electoral college doesn't work well, I'm not sure the Americans would prefer to remove it completely

I think the electoral college is working as intended to balance out power between larger more powerful states and less powerful states. Though I also don’t believe the popular vote is necessarily ideal from the perspective of maintaining more diversity of thoughts and opinions which is useful for a healthy republic.

As someone who’s lived in mostly rural states I’m glad because it prevents places like California with large populations with pretty homogeneous opinions and world views to dominate the nations elections. I get folks in those larger states would also feel equally left out as well.

I view the electoral college as a means of accounting for the “entropy” of votes among states. There’s more diversity of thought and opinion between say a rural Wyoming farmer and a worker in Hawaii than there is among most Californians living in say the 50 square miles of Hollywood.

In a fashion it’s similar to how network effects dominate large in markets where companies lucky to get a market first or to grow first get an unfair network advantage. Antitrust and tax laws ideally gently balance out this winner-takes-effects to provide more diverse and robust markets. Most hyper successful companies aren’t necessarily better at what they do and there’s a large amount of luck in success. Of course they still have to work hard and be effective to capitalize on the opportunities. Similar things happen among states in the USA.

[BuyMyBitcoins]

One thing to consider is that the electoral college system also accounts for varying levels of economic density.

While I often hear “land doesn’t vote”, people don’t consider that a farm will never have the same economic output as an office building with the same footprint. This includes the population that comes with all that employment. There needs to be a way to represent the less economically dense sectors of the country because otherwise cities will dominate everything.

[elcritch]

Yeah good point. Its sort of hidden in my argument, but economic diversity (including density) is part of the overall diversity and it's critical to "the system as a whole".

That office building might have more economic outpiut, but at the end of the day it's the farm that feeds people and mines that provide materials to build the offices. We can do without Meta or Google, but without farms people start starving and revolting pretty quickly.