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I believe that many of the court battles revolved around issues like "standing", not whether there was any substance to the matter. So it's not really fair to put any value in whether the accusations were "proven in court" because the courts never focused on the accusations themselves.

[awb]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post-election_lawsuits_relat...

62 lawsuits in 9 states, 30 dismissed on merits, several from Trump appointed judges.

My recollection is that when the cases went to court, the lawyers backed away from claims of fraud: https://time.com/5914377/donald-trump-no-evidence-fraud/

Trump was consistently losing in all polls in 2020.

538 had Trump’s odds at 10%: https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2020-election-forecast/

Betting markets had him at ~35%: https://www.realclearpolitics.com/elections/betting_odds/202...

Biden was favored in MI, WI, NV, PA, AZ, FL, NC and GA on Election Day meaning he had many paths to victory.

And polls were pretty accurate for Biden:

State - Polling Avg. (Result)

MI - 51.2% (50.6%)

WI - 52.1% (49.5%)

NV - 49.7% (50.1%)

PA - 50.2% (49.9%)

AZ - 48.7% (49.4%)

FL - 49.1% (47.9%)

NC - 48.9% (48.6%)

GA - 48.5% (49.5%)

The surprise wasn’t that Trump lost in 2020, is was that based on polling averages that he didn’t lose by more.

[xhkkffbf]

I have no real desire to work through all of this again. It was 4 years ago. Alas, all of your numbers aren't so convincing to me. As we saw with this last go around, you could find numbers from pollsters that predicted either outcome. So I don't know where you got them and I'm not interested in parsing whatever you have to say.

I do know that many of the "merits" you cite were never litigated. Were there any cases where the court granted discovery? So how can anyone guess at what a court would decide about the matter? Many of the news articles I read at the time suggested that the courts were just not interested in opening up cans of worms.

[awb]

Ok, I’m actually curious why folks think the 2020 election was stolen. I don’t know of any credible reporting on it.

The polling average numbers are from Project 538. The dropdown lets you navigate to each state.

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2020-election-forecast/

The election results are from Wikipedia.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_United_States_president...