[kaliqt]

That is factually incorrect.

It is 1. A deterrent and 2. Accidents are just a result of poor training and 3. The amount of defensive gun use is exceptional, it does not get reported on purpose due to state propaganda in Canada, America, and so on.

Also all concealed carry holders regularly train, much of it is for fun, and their skills rival or surpass law enforcement.

[LeafItAlone]

>Also all concealed carry holders regularly train, much of it is for fun, and their skills rival or surpass law enforcement.

I generally disagree with your other bullets points, but this statement is so absurdly inaccurate I feel the need to call it out explicitly. It is absolutely not true that all concealed carry holder fit this description. Not even a majority of the concealed carry holders that I know do. It is, quite honestly, a fantasy.

(I am generally pro-gun rights combined with smart gun restrictions laws)

[ImPostingOnHN]

You are likely right, not all concealed carry permit holders practice, but cops practice even less, and generally are worse-trained to carry a firearm.

Instead of training in the legality of use of force, and to hit a target with a bullet, like most CCP holders get, cops get training that everyone is a potential enemy, and to spray and pray first, ask questions later. Considering they're essentially immune to going to prison when this goes poorly, the result is often bad.

[fouc]

guns don't really seem to be much of a deterrent in the US, instead gun crime is way up.

and what's worse is it becomes an "arms race" at the individual level. many people end up buying guns because everyone else already have guns (especially criminals), so they feel obligated to acquire guns to defend themselves from other people with guns. it's a vicious cycle.

the ideal solution is to keep the gun supply low all together, meaning your average criminal are much less likely to have guns, which is what most countries do.

not only that, having a massive amount of guns around & having a culture of guns probably directly leads to school shootings.

[rangestransform]

The ideal solution is that the government demonstrates overwhelming effectiveness at stopping violent crime so people won’t feel the need to have a self defense gun