[mschuster91]

> None of this addresses the problem of making reality illegal.

Recognizing that trans people exist in reality and providing them legal backing for it is not new. Trans (or gender-nonconforming, third gender or whatever you want to call it) people have been a thing for millennia. Even back in old Greece their existence was recognized [1], the Talmud has regulations on their status in society [2], various Southern Asian countries have some sort of legal recognition for them for centuries [3].

"Reality" is a societal definition, and nature alone provides a lot of interesting edge cases such as various sport stars who pass for females in all aspects including having vaginas but have chromosome sets (or hormonal levels) typically associated with males.

[1] https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Androgynos

[2] https://www.talmudology.com/jeremybrownmdgmailcom/2019/6/17/...

[3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hijra_(South_Asia)

[akimbostrawman]

>"Reality" is a societal definition

Reality can be whatever crazy people want it to be

[mschuster91]

Given that I just posted evidence of non-binary people over millennia and at a large enough scale to warrant inclusion into legal systems, it's hard to call non-binary people "crazy" - they have always been a staple of humanity.

[akimbostrawman]

I'm sure glad 99.99% of people are now lawfully punished for not lying because of 0.01% crazy people

[immibis]

Crazy people have been trying to reshape reality to fit their two-gender ideology for thousands of years and it has never worked.

It did bring us the most well known historical atrocity though.

[akimbostrawman]

made up claims as expected. Yeah how could people use 2 sexes when there are.....2 biological sexes...the horror.