[snow_mac]

I get really tired of this narrative that people are pushing that trump voters are somehow ignorant, stupid or simply don't care.

We're not ignorant, we care a lot and we're not being duped. We're really tired of the high gas prices, the moral hypocrisy of the left, the domestic law fare going on attacking political rivals and most of all, we want to afford our groceries and experience a better economy.

Telling us, that the entire base that voted for Trump is either heartless, naive or stupid just isn't going to cut it in reality. People that voted for Trump believe that the President is the diplomatic representative to the world for the American people. He literally got shot and stood up pumping his fist in the air. Joe Biden can barely walk down the stairs without tripping. Kamala had a "phone" call with an undecided voter just yesterday and when she showed the screen it was the camera app. Our choice this election was either the badass who after being shot wanted to show the crowd he was alive or two bumbling idiots. He's not my first choice, but he's a lot better then the Democratic Party offered as alternatives.

We want an American who will fight for business and fight for America to win. We want lower gas prices, which will then make it cheaper to transport goods across the nation and help lower prices in the grocery store.

Trump is not the best person, but he was the better option out of the two party system.

[int_19h]

Russia had a similar election where the populace enthusiastically voted for a "badass". That was in 2000, back when it was still a functioning if flawed democracy.

You can look and see how well that turned out in the long run.

[tucnak]

Only somebody who didn't live in russia during the 90s would suggest it were a "functioning democracy." The regime in russia is not about putin, it's the spooks meet apparatchik's regime, and have been such for decades. You're really lucky to have intelligent people in the US intelligence community.

[int_19h]

I grew up in Russia during the 90s.

It was a mess, but we had actual elections that mattered. The parliament had factions that were fighting each other. The president didn't run everything.

But people wanted a "strong hand", and so they got sold one.

[DandyDev]

As a European, I don't get this. You frame it as a choice between two people: a badass vs a bumbling idiot. Why should it be about the personalities of the candidates and not be a choice between the kind of policies that are being proposed and the ability to reason about them?

While I concede that subjectively, Trump can come across as badass and Harris might have been "phony" at times, when it comes to the policies both sides are defending during debates and even the way they express themselves verbally during debates, Harris comes across to me as someone who has better ideas and can explain them far better.

I think that the difference between politics in Europe vs the US is that the latter is based much more on cult of personality. And sadly that mode of operation is becoming more common here in Europe as well.

I personally don't care for the personal attacks and mud slinging. Let's bring back intelligent debates.

[snow_mac]

I made some generalizations, but if you want to discuss policies, these policies I believe are vital to the future of our country and the main reason I voted for him.

I approve of Trump's policies:

* A secure and stable border where we do not allow millions of illegals to cross into our country

* Abortion states issue to deal with

* Smaller government - hiring of Elon musk to eliminate thousands of Federal jobs

* Drill baby drill

* End homelessness for American veterans

* The free American college education through an online school

* Bringing medical production back to America

* The establishment of tariffs on Chinese made products to reflect China's tariffs on American imported goods

* Ending the wars

[darkhorn]

Solution to your problems is not Trump. I lived in totaliterain an authocratic regimes. He has similar tendencies. He is going to screw not only America's economy but also the whole world's economy. He is not going to solve your problems but his own problems. Just like Erdoğan and Putin he doesn't care about ordinary people. When you think that it cannot get any more bad it will get more bad. I lived in totaliterian an authocratic regimes.

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[gafferongames]

A fascist rapist.

[ghthor]

A rapist who is fascist or a rapists of fascists?

[TrackerFF]

This has to be satire.

But you don't even blink when Trump hammers on about the trade war he's going to start with everyone?

Musk even had to re-iterate his point, and make sure that you'll embrace for "hardship" in the near future, should they get elected.

I mean, good luck with those gas and grocery prices. You're gonna need all the luck you can get.

[aguaviva]

Joe Biden can barely walk down the stairs without tripping.

Which is why he left the race back in July. Did you miss this fact?

Kamala had a "phone" call with an undecided voter just yesterday and when she showed the screen it was the camera app.

Actually this anecdote, and your touting of it, showcases just how naive Trump voters really are. The story has already been debunked on multiple fact-checking sites -- not that it needs debunking, because every single one of us knows how flaky phones are these days, and if you just brush them the wrong way you can set off all kinds of random apps. We all know this, because it happens to each and every one of us multiple times a day. (To add to this, it almost certainly wasn't her own phone, making such a mixup even more likely to happen). There's just absolutely nothing of substance here. Any reasonable person hearing this story would just roll their eyes and say, "Yeah right". They wouldn't even waste more than a second or two thinking about it, because it's so obviously bogus.

But what kind of reactions do Trump supporters have, when a story like this pops up on whatever website or newsapp they're addicted to? A variety we might guess, but judging by your own, for some reason it doesn't even occur to them to second-guess or fact-check the story. They just believe it, because a website told them it was important and they probably read other comments on that article page or social media feed with all kinds hyperemotional reactions indicating that it was a valid and important story, too, so by gosh, I guess it must be, right?

And then they go on the internet and share it with their friends, and they tell 2 friends, and so on, and so on, and that, in so many variations about other completely baseless rumors and smears, like Kamala's alleged drinking problem, her "hearing aid", about her "turning black" and so forth ad nauseum -- exactly as you've done right here, right now.

Not surprisingly, they also have no problem believing that a guy pumping his fist in the air means he's a "badass" or that this is demonstrative of the key qualities we need in someone to run the most powerful country on the planet. Instead of being yet another indication of the obvious shlockmeister and con artist that he is.

Which is what brought us to the outcome we got last night.

[ChumpGPT]

>We want an American who will fight for business and fight for America to win. We want lower gas prices, which will then make it cheaper to transport goods across the nation and help lower prices in the grocery store.

Do you think the President has anything to do with all that? The USA pumped more oil during the Biden administration than at any time in history. How is a President going to fight for business? Seriously, your comments come across like you have no idea what the President can or can't do. Do you understand where the power lies in the USA? It lies with Congress and massive corporations, the President is just theater for the masses.