[spacedcowboy]

I'm not trying to persuade you either way. Those are just the facts as assessed by the courts. If you don't like the facts, again, I don't care.

IMHO people vote for Trump because he normalises the hate and jealousy that they feel themselves for their situation and their powerlessness to change it. How he projects his own narcissism makes him look like a kindred spirit to them, and the fact that over 50% of the voting American public can relate to this is a stunning indictment of US society.

[RpmReviver]

Then why isn't he in jail? Why wasn't he been impeached? Why can't they find something that sticks for the most smeared political figure in modern history? If we are bringing up his questionable legal past, then it's fair to bring up the legal past of the opposing side. The truth is the political class has done so much damage and far worse things than Trump.

That's a whole lot of mind reading and guessing of what 50% of the country thinks, it's not simple, no one is that one dimensional and different groups have different reasons

Gen Z, millenials, boomers, gen x all have slightly different social and economic goals

The fundamental christians are not the same as the homeless bernie bros and classic liberals

[CptFribble]

> why isn't he in jail

In 2020, a Pennsylvania white man illegally voted via mail-in ballot on behalf of two deceased parents.

Also in 2020, a black woman in Memphis voted while ineligible due to a felony conviction without being informed she wasn't allowed, and was convicted and sentenced to 6 years in jail.

As for how this applies to why Trump is not in jail for his convictions, I will leave that as an exercise for the reader.

[RpmReviver]

You're in denial if you think both sides aren't racist, it comes out in different ways but its there

Someone failed that women long before she voted if she didn't know a convicted felon can't vote, at least in my state they ask when you register

[doubleyou]

He was impeached... twice! (Only president ever)

[RpmReviver]

No

For the first impeachment it was only recommended and then acquitted.

For the second the articles of impeachment were drawn but also acquitted.

[doubleyou]

Sorry you dont get to make up your own definition. He was impeached twice. These decisions cannot be undone or removed or acquitted, he is officially formally and forever impeached. Being impeached means being tried for crimes. He was completely tried, and therefore completely impeached. Only president to get impeached twice. And only three presidents have ever been impeached at all. Super embarassing that he is president again.

"If the House adopts the articles by a simple majority vote, the official has been impeached."

https://www.usa.gov/impeachment

[RpmReviver]

Ok, I stand corrected with the technical definition

But there was an impeachment trial to determine if he should be removed or be allowed to run again, and he was acquitted twice, he was impeached and not convicted

It's more embarrassing for them that they brought up charges that were effectively dropped

[doubleyou]

Well lets not move the goalposts, no us president has ever been convicted in an impeachment trial.

But that is where trump apologists lose me, first impeachment was over "Abuse of power by "pressuring Ukraine to investigate his political rivals ahead of the 2020 election while withholding a White House meeting and $400 million in U.S. security aid from Kyiv." You dont think this happened?

And the second impeachment was over jan 6 election interference? You dont think he interfered? The senate voted 57-43 to convict (57% voted guilty) and Mitch Mconnell said "There's no question that President Trump is practically and morally responsible for provoking the events of the day." You think 7 republicans and 50 others voting to convict is embarassing for whom? I also agree it is embarassing but I cannot wrap my head around how we could be embarassed in different ways.

[doubleyou]

Also important to keep in mind that less than 20% ofthe country voted for trump this time... not super democratic

[RpmReviver]

So? He won the popular vote which was the argument last time why he wasn't legitimate

You're just moving the goal posts

[doubleyou]

I thought it was undemocratic last time, same goalposts. Just remember 4/5 americans did not vote for him.