[Jeema101]

He is barely coherent most of the time, but several of his ideas do resonate with people and are easy to understand:

1 - Other countries in the world have taken advantage of the US

2 - Illegal immigrants have changed the country for the worse and are taking jobs

#2 in particular has been framed as being racist. There IS a good deal of racism mixed in there, but the truth is that low skilled illegal immigrants DO compete for many of the same jobs as lower-skilled Americans.

None other than Bernie Sanders said as much about the subject right around 2007. His stance at that time was that we needed to do something about illegal immigration specifically to protect the jobs of American workers, but then later he changed his tune to fit in with the rest of the party.

If you address the majority of people's concerns and worries, they'll vote for you.

[jedberg]

> 2 - Illegal immigrants have changed the country for the worse and are taking jobs

> #2 in particular has been framed as being racist. There IS a good deal of racism mixed in there, but the truth is that low skilled illegal immigrants DO compete for many of the same jobs as lower-skilled Americans.

There is only one group for which that is true -- men without a high school diploma. Otherwise, immigrants are generally taking jobs that Americans won't do.

Case in point, picking produce at farms. The last time they cracked down on immigration, a lot of those farms had to spoil a lot of crops because no one would pick them.

[WgaqPdNr7PGLGVW]

> Otherwise, immigrants are generally taking jobs that Americans won't do.

Because the pay is terrible. Start paying well and plenty of Americans will want the jobs.

Working a low skilled job like fast food should be enough to pay for college so that it is possible to lift yourself up out of poverty.

We have created a two tier system and the educated class just makes excuses about why the system has to work the way it does today.

[Vaskerville]

Taking jobs? Who, is giving them illegal jobs?

Why aren't people talking about this and doing something about it?

[seaal]

Americans. Plenty of business owners happy to pay under the table, steal wages and take advantage of illegal workers with no protections.

People rent out DoorDash and Uber accounts for 20% of the income from people that can't sign up themselves.

[ithkuil]

It's again our limbic system: it's easier to assign all the blame outsiders

[seaal]

I am indeed very worried about all these illegal immigrants taking our very important jobs.

When I order food delivery, get in an Uber, and drop off my laundry at the wash and fold I want an under-educated American!

[teitoklien]

Do not insult a person’s honest earned livelihood that they work for to support their families.

There are tens of thousands of Americans who are forced to live in Trailer trucks or from their car who often do those sorts of jobs.

They just want an honest living and do not have the opportunities to get higher college education to land well paid white collar formal jobs.

That uber job is often their way to save up for their truck driving license so that they can move to a decent wage to get his/her kids a nice christmas gift, nutritious daily meals for their kids and other emotional needs.

To them, seeing their jobs being taken up by illegal immigrants for lower wages, no payroll taxes to pay, etc. is a very very very real issue to them and a zero sum game being played against their life.

[Throaway116]

This is such a goofy response. Are you aware that under-educated Americans need jobs, and in fact vote???

[seaal]

That's why we have surging high unemployment! Oh wait it's still lower than when George Bush was president.

[hext]

People want prosperous livelihoods not just jobs. Do you think those working those low paying dead end jobs are just completely content with having zero mobility or financial security?

That uber driving might be living in their car but at least they are employed right??

[foolfoolz]

if you are buying delivery food, taxis, and laundry services you are clearly an upper class net worth individual. surely you know what’s best for working class americans

[seaal]

Yes I'm a super high net worth individual with a household income of $60K a year.

It's called living in a city, I don't own a car or have a laundry machine.

[ptek]

A laundry machine today could be a risky investment as you don't know how many years it will last. My old flat had a machine that broke down (It was less than 6 months old) and there was a known problem with the model which was to do with the input pad to set the settings. Luckily it was under warranty, but even still the stop was fighting hard to replace it :/ (I think it was fisher and paykel, they used to be good but they moved the manufacturing base from New Zealand to overseas).

[ithkuil]

My take away from those kind of exchanges is that most people have no idea how other groups of people live