[siffin]

I agree, except we're more like 80 years into elites calling everyone else stupid.

Your first sentence is based, if you can't see how following a couple of simple talking points like "herp derp gas is to spensive" isn't anything but surface level, you're actually stupid, because I'm telling you, there is a shitload more to gas than it coming out of the pump at a price someone wants it to be. You can't just vote for cheaper gas, trump isn't an oil well.

[cynicalpeace]

I understand you think everyone who voted for Trump is stupid. But it's simply not true.

Also price of gas isn't the only things I mentioned. You hilariously omitted war with Russia, and all the other plausible reasons one might vote for Trump, like making illegal immigration harder than legal immigration, reducing bureaucracy, wanting to cut red tape to go to Mars, lower taxes.

You could assert all these things are somehow superficial, but that doesn't make it true.

[siffin]

I didn't say that at all, I was responding to a commenter talking about their particular friends, who they claimed weren't voting on shallow premises, when the examples they provided were absolutely as shallow as they were trying to claim they weren't.

You went off topic and started defending all trump voters.

[cynicalpeace]

I was that commenter lol

[steve_adams_86]

I don’t understand the war part.

It does seem like Russia will continue to push west once they take Ukraine. At this point it seems like this is almost inevitable without US support.

We have a lot of Ukrainian people in Canada and they are mortified by this event. To them, US support was a lifeline. Some friends were literally crying over this turn of events because they’re terrified for their family back home.

If Russia takes Ukraine and is emboldened to continue west, how will this impact the USA? Will you want to remain uninvolved and isolated? Does it really seem safe to allow this to continue?

Or do you think nothing much will happen and this hand wringing is unnecessary? Or perhaps that Russia won’t move further west, or it’s fine that they might?

It strikes me that a lot of Trump’s policy is that of a remarkably uninformed person who struggles to connect dots and anticipate the results of these actions.

[hajile]

Russia invaded Ukraine with ~170,000 troops. When it turned into an actual war instead of a quick regime change, they had to hire Wagner and draft prisoners until they could train up troops to send.

Do you seriously think Russia was going to be able to attack another country if they took over Ukraine? 170,000 wouldn't even be enough to actually hold on to Ukraine (in Kosovo, we needed 1 soldier for every 34 people to preserve peace, that would be over 1 million Russian soldiers in Ukraine to occupy it).

This assertion simply doesn't make any sense to me.

[steve_adams_86]

> Do you seriously think Russia was going to be able to attack another country if they took over Ukraine?

I doubted it at first, but historically speaking, this is a completely Russian thing to do. That country has chewed through men like crazy under worse circumstances.

[cynicalpeace]

> Or do you think nothing much will happen and this hand wringing is unnecessary?

This. The Neville Chamberlain comparison has been used to involve us in every major war since WWII and literally all of them turned out to be total disasters.

[siffin]

Epstein said it of trump, he is good at real estate and otherwise a complete moron. He said he can't think ahead what might happen with any issue, and if you've been watching him, that should be pretty obvious.

That's why this is so dangerous, he's a con man, and everyone supporting him has bought into the con, because I never see any trump supporter posting a clause that says they will stop supporting him the moment he crosses line x, they just support literally anything he does or will do.