[nickreese]

As an American living in Europe, it is fun to see the filter bubble Europeans live in with regards to how the US is framed in the media here and even in common coversation. I was talking to my French buddy about it and we were comparing our filter bubbles. Please realize that there is a filter bubble that all of us live in.

[VagabundoP]

I consume a lot of American social media as a European, what about his comment was wrong?

Fox News, Twitter, Facebook etc have really done a number on the US (and the rest of the world to some extent). The lack of regulation of these companies have brought us to the Post-Truth world we're living in now.

[decide1000]

Filter bubble or not; it's a disgrace. A fallen nation. A violent dictator. Lies, racism, sexism, violence. People vote for this!

[tim333]

I'm not a Trump fan but the immigration situation was getting a bit out of hand. It was a bit do you want the US to be the US you knew or have the whole of south and central America move in.

[gambiting]

And Harris or Democrats couldn't fix this? US had to elect an actual criminal to fix the issue?

[decide1000]

Let's vote for a dictator! That must solve it! Last time he was sooo successful.

[pknerd]

As if Biden/Harris has set some high standars

[Freak_NL]

Sure, The Dark Lord is evil, but did you notice how the Mayor of Michel Delving failed to do anything about that rabbit plague that decimated the Longbottom tobacco harvest two years ago?

[pknerd]

Read my reasoning: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42061182

I am not American but my country has suffered due to Biden policies

[Freak_NL]

The Mayor of Michel Delving flat out refused to help the tobacco growers of Longbottom, letting the rabbits have their way. The Dark Lord will surely treat them better! Or at least kind of ignore them. Or, well, he does seem supportive of the rabid rabbit leader, but just as often as not he's just incoherent on the topic of the plight of the Longbottom tobacco growers, and I'll take that as a good sign!

[decide1000]

Explain. Did he send their private army to overturn an election? Did they grab them by the pussy? I am glad I have some standards.

[pknerd]

Atleast Biden Administration is blamed to topple our Pakistani govt.

[selimthegrim]

You know, it’s interesting that you don’t seem to care what American Pakistanis think. Ham sab gaye tel lene kya? Ham bhi bhugtenge

[pknerd]

> Ham sab gaye tel lene kya? Ham bhi bhugtenge

Pakistani Diaspora agar Genocide aur LGBT enabler say hamrdari rakhta tu unsa bara beghairat aur kanjar koi nahi, un k baghair tel ke danda dia jye ga

[pknerd]

Munnay Muslims have already given vote to Trump. Especially Arab due to genocide support by Biden Administration

Tail tu tab lene ata jab tumhare bacha LGBT ghar may late. Shukar karo bach gayae

[cassepipe]

Leaving policies aside, on purely moral standards, it seems hard to "both sides" this.

The people that attempt this were incredibly bad faith i.e. for example equating Hillary's "[Trump] knows he’s an illegitimate president" which is calling out shady voter suppression tactics and the fact that Trump did not win the popular vote with the staunch denial of the 2020 election result by Trump to this day and the organisation of a (failed) plot to remain in power.

[decide1000]

These situations aren't really comparable. Clinton questioned procedural issues and the popular vote outcome, while Trump's actions following the 2020 election (including his continued denial of results and attempts to overturn them) represent an unprecedented challenge to American democratic institutions. It's deeply concerning how many people continue to accept claims that have been thoroughly debunked by election officials, courts, and independent observers. This erosion of trust in democratic processes and willingness to embrace demonstrably false narratives suggests a troubling shift in American political culture. It's a fallen nation.

[pknerd]

Dear Salty Dems, downvoting me won't help to hide Harris' incompetency and getting votes

[lifeinthevoid]

Can you give a brief comparison of the different views? I’m European and watch/read a lot of US news sources from both sides and still think “European” about Trump.

[vundercind]

You’re missing the political viewpoint of 45% of the country if you’re not main-lining right-wing radio and Fox News. No, stop—don’t google what they just said, imagine you just believe it and see where that takes you.

[edit] if you want root-cause for how we got here, look into media ownership laws in the US, and into the Citizens United court case (check out the 5-4 podcast for a fun/horrifying take). Single entities can own unlimited reach of media, which didn’t used to be the case, as recently as the very early 2000s IIRC, and Citizens opened up unlimited corporate spending in elections, with exactly the implications you’d expect for e.g. foreign spending on US elections. Er, I mean, the actual root cause is kinda the system of elections the slave states pushed into the constitution, if you wanna go way back, but the proximate cause of the current political landscape is that.

[nickreese]

Note: Running out the door, here is a brief summary that hasn't been deeply considered.

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Example: I casually commented at the gym that I thought Trump would win about a week ago and went into a very long conversation/debate with several people in the gym.

I asked each of them to show me their filter bubbles... once I had explained it to them. 2 Spaniards, 2 Andorran, 1 French guy. The general consensus seemed to be that Trump was a major step back socially and would pollute the environment, not care about climate change, etc.

Their information came from traditional news, Instagram/Tiktok and one from Reddit/HN/X. The only one that was even open to hearing my views during the conversation was the guy who read Reddit/HN/X. Everyone else had their minds made up.

Today at the gym, I had the 2nd part of this conversation with 3 of the guys that were there this morning. The general take away that the guy who read Reddit/HN/X summed up is one of: "Europe has yet to reach "peak tolerance" where it appears the US is already there." This realization was came to due to the issues of immigrants in both Spain/France who don't assimilate which was a hot button issue for them.

I kinda agree with this sentiment. I think that Europe (at least the part I'm in) doesn't seem to have a great immune system for people who abuse the system and generally punishes tall poppies both socially and economically. The US is completely different, tall poppies are celebrated and if you fail or get sick you have no safety net.

For me the difference in world views is best summed up by what people are focusing on. Climate, equality, and tolerance are the key issues I see pushed heavily in Europe... I see this as stemming from the "tall poppy" syndrome that is prevalent in both Spain/France. In the US, people care about other things and are generally focused on things that directly impact them. That is what this election was about. Less focus on perceived injustices or injustices of the past and more focus on making the future better with something different.

Is Europe a great place? For sure... but it has wildly different problems and world views than the US does. I think it is hard to appreciate that until you've bene immersed in both cultures long enough.

In general, I'd just say there is more nuance to everything than our brains can handle. My little mission has been to try and bring back nuance into the conversation. Black and white thinking is lazy. Nuance exists, find it and challenge your filter bubble.

I'm excited to see how this casual gym conversation continues.

[amarcheschi]

I'm Italian and the views I have here (left/center left/center friends/relatives) is that he's a crazy nut job that's gonna hurt europe as well as limiting abortion rights and similar things. I'd say there's not much talk about economy because we don't understand shit in our own economy either, let alone a foreign one... Except that we think the rich are gonna get much richer and he's gonna cut social spending (ie, less Healthcare and similar things) and he's gonna crackdown on immigration. Not expressing our own views on it, that's just what i think it's talked about Trump here

Oh, he's also a misogynistic, convicted felon that spews lies. This is partially our view in my bubble, if I had to say it entirely I would get flagged lol

[taneq]

I wonder how it compares to the filter bubble with regards to North Korea. What if it really is a communist utopia?