[selfmodruntime]

Trump doesn't alienate a specific group of hardworking Americans who turn out to vote. The people who are turned off by him largely don't vote at all.

> but at the same time Trump says much worse things about women than Harris about men

One would think so, but Trump's talk about women is just how society in general talks about women. As sad as it is, women are used to that rhetoric.

> How does the hatred for the Democrats get so big?

Multiple high profile members of the Democratic Party actively demonize rural Americans and especially men.

[zip1234]

Trump talks shit about everyone—somehow all his supporters ignore that he has trashed each and every one of them at some point

[n4r9]

You're saying that Trump won because US society is misogynistic?

[selfmodruntime]

In essence, yes. I'm saying that Trump's narrative on women is no worse than societies default. Women experience far worse things than macho talk. It takes more to alienate a lot of them.

[n4r9]

It feels like you're balancing two conflicting notions here:

1. Stop calling average people ignorant.

2. Average people are misogynistic.

[gitremote]

I'm politically the opposite of the person you're replying to, but these two notions are correct and not contradictory. Average people are ignorant and misogynist, and we should acknowledge this and talk about it, but not to their face. If you're not the direct target of the ignorance or misogyny, you should explain to them why their assumptions are false in a dumbed-down way, not using university-level language. Calling people ignorant directly will get them defensive and emotional. They will think they are being attacked because they are a man.

Of course, for people who are directly targeted by the ignorance and misogyny, it's their right to directly call it out, but they might not call it out at all, because they would be targeted further.

[EraYaN]

The difference between what they are and what you should call them. Getting voted in asks for coddling your potential base.