[bogle]

No, they get a vote, obviously. You've focussed on the vote part of the quote when the important information was in the racism. It's racism that must be constantly pointed out, that people must be educated about, and racism should be rooted out when found. I'm not saying you support racism in any way, of course, I really don't think that. I just think you misunderstood what needs doing to prevent these unforced errors (Brexit was an unforced error of the UK government).

[lelanthran]

> It's racism that must be constantly pointed out, that people must be educated about, and racism should be rooted out when found.

As I pointed out in a different post, trying to shame people into silence doesn't magically change their vote.

Unfortunately, when you are going to call every Rep supporter a racist with no evidence other than who they voted for, they are going to stop answering your polls honestly.

Still not gonna change their vote though...

[bogle]

Racists don't need shaming into silence. They need to understand what's wrong with their beliefs.

Going back to the original quote, you need to see that it's not calling all voters a particular thing. There's a simple Venn diagram, one circle of racists inside a larger circle of a particular block of voters.

Educating people out of racism, and removing racism from your society, will change votes as racism is only one aspect of a person's beliefs.

[lelanthran]

> Racists don't need shaming into silence. They need to understand what's wrong with their beliefs.

They already know, they don't care, because that specific belief is not rooted in reason or rationality.

> Going back to the original quote, you need to see that it's not calling all voters a particular thing. There's a simple Venn diagram, one circle of racists inside a larger circle of a particular block of voters.

> Educating people out of racism, and removing racism from your society, will change votes as racism is only one aspect of a person's beliefs.

I somewhat agree with the first part[1], but vehemently disagree with the second: I don't think that eradicating racist thoughts will move the needle on who gets elected, as there are, IMO, simply too few racists around to influence an election.[2]

[1] IOW, I don't believe that education will change a racist's belief, but I do see value to society in eradicating discriminatory stereotypes and discriminatory actions, of which racism is merely one.

[2] There aren't even enough racists to form a party of their own, so I doubt that them moving from red to blue is going to be any difference from statistical noise.