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by watwut 597 days ago
Prosecuting Trump in court is not dirty fight. It is something that should have happen, because being politician should not mean being lawless.

I envision actual politicians and journalists calling trump what he is more rather then less.
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rob74 597 days ago
> politician should not mean being lawless

Well, the US Supreme Court decided more or less exactly that presidents can break the law and get away with it: https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/czrrv8yg3nvo

And "calling him what he is" has so far failed to sway his supporters, I don't see how it will do it now. OTOH, he (probably?) won't stand for election again, so the point is probably moot...

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fsckboy 597 days ago
>the US Supreme Court decided more or less exactly that presidents can break the law and get away with it

no, they did not. The court pointed out that the remedy (specified in the Constitution) for a president who breaks the law is impeachment and conviction by the house and senate. After which, that former president could be subject to prosecution.

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watwut 597 days ago
Democratic party goes out of its way to look center, be accommodating and non confrontial. It just does not work.

I stand by "politician should not mean being lawless". US Supreme Court being pro lawless when it comes to GOP is just politics of US Supreme Court. It does not mean law should not matter or that trying to apply law is fighting dirty.

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rightbyte 597 days ago
"Lock her up!" Wasn't that the chant from some of his supporters?

It is funny how these things turn out and who actually does what in the end and how differently it is treated.

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Tainnor 597 days ago
> Prosecuting Trump in court is not dirty fight. It is something that should have happen

I agree, but I call it "dirty fight" because that's what it's perceived as by the Trump supporters.

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watwut 597 days ago
Trump and his supporters will say anything and accepting their framing again and again should be already seen as proven failure strategy. It just does not work.

It is not dirty fight, full stop. Dirty fight would be to act like Trump and his supporters do or approaching it.

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Tainnor 597 days ago
Again, what specifically are you suggesting? To me, it looks as if neither the high nor the low road is working.
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watwut 597 days ago
I suggest we stop with the "we need to engage with these folks and stop disparaging them" nonsense designed to create unequal situation where GOP and Trump can be arbitrary dirty, but everyone else needs to treat them with kids gloves and use euphemisms.

I suggest Democratic party to become more aggressive rather then forever trying to paint themselves as "the adult ones" and forever put themselves into center. It just does not work and serves only to allow overtone window to move toward radical conservativism.

I suggest we stop demanding that "both sides" are described in the same terms. I suggest we stop following nonsense:

> We need to talk to them, we need to understand where they're coming from, we need to help clear the air between "us and them" so that there won't be an "us and them" and so we can _together_ avoid people that tell us what we want to hear.

For example, conservative Christians are coming from the point of view of someone who thinks women should be submissive to men, should have less legal rights, abortion and contraception are wrong because they allow for safer sex.

For example, quite a lot of people in GOP are coming to it with idea that being gay is disgrace, being trans deserve severe punishment and that being criminal is cool as long as you are rich white guy.

Actually engage with these rather then euphemism them away.

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