[sneed_chucker]

If JavaScript (V8) and PyPy can be fast, then CPython can be fast too.

It's just that the CPython developers and much of the Python community sat on their hands for 15 years and said stuff like "performance isn't a primary goal" and "speed doesn't really matter since most workloads are IO-bound anyway".

[jerf]

In this context, V8 and PyPy aren't fast. Or at least, not generally; they may actually do well on this task because pure number tasks are the only things they can sometimes, as long as you don't mess them up, get to compiled language-like performance. But they don't in general to compiled language performance, despite common belief to the contrary.

[Spivak]

Let's make this more concrete because assigning speed to languages is a fools errand. Python is doing a lot more per line of code than compiled languages to enable its very flexible semantics. In cases where this flexibility is desired you won't see much more performance in a compiled language as you'll have just implemented Python-like semantics on top of your compiled language— GObject is a good example of this. More famously this is Greenspun's tenth rule.

> Any sufficiently complicated C or Fortran program contains an ad hoc, informally-specified, bug-ridden, slow implementation of half of Common Lisp.

But where this flexibility isn't required, which is a lot of performance sensitive number crunching code the cost of the flexibility bites you. You can't "turn it off" when you want control down to the instruction for a truly massive performance win. Which is why I think the model Python has of highly expressive and flexible language backed by high-performance compiled libraries is so successful.

Python will never be number crunching or parsing with the best of them because it would require essentially a whole new language to express the low-level constraints but for high-level code that relies on Python's semantics you can get performance wins that can't be accomplished just by switching to a compiled language. We've just taken the "embedded scripting language" and made it the primary interface.

[adamc]

This gets into the whole "fast for what purpose" discussion. For many purposes, JavaScript is quite acceptably fast. But it isn't C or Rust.

[lmm]

Do you have any objective evidence for that claim, or is this just you guessing?