[eesmith]

I wrote 'applying back pressure, fighting for your reports, or quitting in solidarity'. Alice leaving was the third of these.

'advocating for them' and 'pushing for changes' are parts of the first two.

When back pressure and fighting for your reports does not work, what do you do then?

As you wrote it, Alice leaving is a large negative for the company to, making it full of yes men, unable to change away from a collision course.

[Arainach]

>When back pressure and fighting for your reports does not work, what do you do then?

Continue fighting the battles you can win. Do your job and do it well. Changing jobs is hard, stressful, unavailable to many people for a variety of reasons, and not guaranteed to improve things. Particularly once you start becoming senior and in management.

If I left a job every time I was faced with a bad situation I would never built up the soft skills or connections to be any good at any connection. Particularly as a first-level manager, where 80% of your job is delivering messages you had no say in but have to own anyway.

[eesmith]

The comment I replied to at https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42039995 was only about following orders, with zero mention of fighting any sort of battle.

My response was meant to be interpreted as doing something other than appeasement, which includes "fighting the battles you can win."