[kortilla]

> Your argument is in fact that exact same one that was used to argue against due process in legal proceedings. "In reality it doesn't play out and you get this group of criminals running free on legal technicalities."

Dumb comparison. Losing a job is not the same as losing a legal action. You can’t just go get a different life if you’re convicted of robbery.

> it happens for the same reason as non-union shops. You have bad management.

No, sometimes employees are just bad and work the system to keep the job as long as possible with no intention of improving.

[drawkward]

Where is this legendary employer who instantly hires all takers, no questions asked?

[kortilla]

It doesn’t exist and doesn’t need to. The current job market makes it abundantly clear that people are able to get some form of employment easily, even if it’s not what they want.

The point is that the comparison to due process is shockingly stupid. If the government imprisons you, you are done. Your life in civilization is over for the duration of your incarceration and you have no other options.

Anyone who thinks due process against the monopoly of violence is the same as due process for a payment from a company is completely tone deaf and has never dealt with the impact of government imprisonment.

Being unemployed indefinitely is far better than imprisonment.

[FredPret]

The actual development of capitalism around the world has shown that when business is thriving, there tends to be lots of employers willing to mop up any excess labour.

We’ve seen a ton of automation and offshoring for centuries now but employment around the world just keeps improving.

[drawkward]

And yet, we have a positive unemployment rate!

[FredPret]

True but that’s inevitable. A certain % of people are always going to be in the process of switching jobs.

[drawkward]

Which is why I reponded to the commenter who said

>Dumb comparison. Losing a job is not the same as losing a legal action. You can’t just go get a different life if you’re convicted of robbery.

Because, as you just admitted, you can't just go get a different job if you're unfairly fired.

[FredPret]

I admitted no such thing. Read again.

- in a thriving environment, lots of companies are hiring

- some people quit or get fired, and it takes a couple of months to get a new job. This is no biggie in a country where the median individual has a net worth of 192k. [0] (yet another argument in favour of a thriving business environment).

- so some % of people will always be temporarily unemployed.

[0] https://www.investopedia.com/average-americans-net-worth-871....