[lazide]

Except you don’t actually talk (as in have a real conversation) with anyone on Teams.

[danaris]

Maybe you don't.

I've never had any trouble having real conversations on online platforms, whether for work or otherwise.

[lazide]

Research shows, that is about as accurate as saying a Twinkie is real food.

Not completely wrong, but…

[danaris]

[Citation needed]?

I've not heard of any research that shows that it's impossible to have meaningful conversations on these platforms.

And please note the distinction between "it is impossible to have such conversations" and "some people (especially less tech-savvy people) have a harder time having such conversations" on these platforms.

Teams/Slack/Discord/etc is just another communication medium. Once our society has, collectively, had more of a chance to get used to them, and once we're no longer dealing with an entire generation who were bad managers before the personal computer even existed (</hyperbole>), I wager you'll see a lot less complaining about the medium itself.

[lazide]

[https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9771703/]

[https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35648039/]

And overview [https://www.psychologytoday.com/intl/blog/the-brain-body-con...]

[danaris]

OK: all three of those are specifically about "Zoom fatigue".

None of them in any way address the issue at hand, which is the ability to engage in meaningful conversations over online platforms such as Teams and Slack.

[lazide]

You’re moving the goalposts quite a bit.

I said they weren’t the same as in person.

The reason for zoom fatigue, as the papers call out, is because zoom or similar is fundamentally different than actual in person conversations.

They are missing something important. Several things which are important, actually.

Just like twinkies vs ‘real food’.