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by stuaxo 590 days ago
There are ways of doing this using encryption so that the person will know what their own vote is in a way that others don't.
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But, there is still someone somewhere that distribute the certificats and can link you to your vote so why try to hide something that can leak. It will leak.
We have a major party candidate right now saying his political opponents should face a firing squad and you’re asking “why try to hide something that can leak?”

https://x.com/atrupar/status/1852209432878342308

It’s pretty clear that he is saying that Liz Cheney is a war hawk but might change that stance if she found herself on the other side of said hawking. Your statement is technically correct but like many other interpretations of his statements, forgoes context and intent to make an easy point.
The context is that he has been publicly calling for a televised military tribunal for Cheney (who is not in the military) for quite a while now, but since he’s a senile old man who “weaved” this into an argument against hawkishness, the right wing can play dumb.
"Let's put her with a rifle..."

Since when do people facing firing squads get issued a rifle of their own? How do you explain this language he is using?

To me it's clear he meant "put her in combat facing a squad of adversaries" (US Army squads are 9 men, USMC are 13), essentially calling her a coward/chickenhawk.

Sure if you omit the times he's called for televised military tribunals for Cheney, an American citizen who has never served in the military. As already addressed below, the fact that he's "weaving" (deliriously free-associating) various arguments together isn't a good defense.
But, should we deceive people like the tech companies are doing right now with privacy?

If someone is scared that his position will be known and still do it only because there is some fakely advertised security in place, you may ruin that person's life againt their will.

I prefer a system where people know how things work, take risks and are responsible. For what do we need a democracy if people are so scared of their family, neighbours and coworkers political views. The way we do democracy should me more mature after all this time. Probably the only place in the world trying to do it right is Switzerland, per example they have frequent local votations accomplished by raising one's hand.

Take risks like having their husbands beating them to death after an election because they voted for the wrong person?
If there is a risk that a husband would beat his wife in this case and that she could not leave him, there is no way that any form of electronic vote would change her life, or even her childrens. People who protect this system will probably rig the votes to keep it or a similar one.

I don't know any big change in the past, anywhere, like a big social progress, a regime change, a revolution or a coup that was enabled by a mass or anonymous voters. I think that if you look into it, you will find that it's always with a large consent or when a group of people takes action openly to push for it.

> If there is a risk that a husband would beat his wife in this case and that she could not leave him, there is no way that any form of electronic vote would change her life, or even her childrens. People who protect this system will probably rig the votes to keep it or a similar one.

What? There are people in America who live under this threat today, and yes voting can actually change important parts of their lives.

A firing squad implies execution. It is quite disingenuous to pretend the quote is about that.

The quote is about her in a war setting with a rifle of her own.

Maybe 'Battle Royale' or 'Hunger Games' as an execution but that is kinda far fetched.

"Prove that you voted for Putin or you are out of a job".
Which is what troubles me about making auditable digital voting systems. I'm not sure how you could do it while preserving the secret ballot.

About the best I can come up with is a QR code displayed on the screen and on a printout that you can compare with a third party phone app. Machine results are tabulated, and the QR code sheet is put in a lock box separately. This at least provides some way to compare what the computer says you voted versus the QR backup ballot for audits. I'm sure there are holes in my idea.

>About the best I can come up with is a QR code displayed on the screen and on a printout that you can compare with a third party phone app.

That's definitely not secret. If you can audit it on your phone, baddies can force you to show your phone to verify that you voted "correctly".

It's not, but I'm saying you have the option to compare the two with an outside reference at the time of voting. You keeping the result on your phone after would be entirely your decision.
>You keeping the result on your phone after would be entirely your decision.

And what happens if baddies come to your house before the election, and say that after election day they'll check up on you, and if you don't they'll beat you up?

Cryptographers are clever and have figured out a way to let you know your vote was counted without being able to prove it to a third party!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BYRTvoZ3Rho

Can the average person trust this though?