[TheRealPomax]

To quote Chris Rock: if you're old and you die in an accident, you died of old age, not "that specific accident". If your mind's going, and that makes you do something that'll kill you, your mind going is what killed you.

[account42]

Sure we could make excuses for unsafe products.

Or we could recognize that lapses of judgement are something every human is capable of and demand such outrageous things that our cookware remains safe at any temperature a reasonable stovetop can produce. Really it shouldn't just be safe but also not break the cookware.

[mossTechnician]

And for distracted folks in the same example, it's what... The baby?

If a company knowingly uses a toxic chemical, it shouldn't be everybody else's fault they did that.

[TheRealPomax]

Tell me you haven't had a baby without telling me you haven't had a baby.

You are fucking 10x more aware of bullshit you're doing just to keep baby safe. Probably more like 100x, really. Nothing focusses your mind like having CREATED A HUMAN THAT MUST BE KEPT SAFE AT ALL COST.

[mossTechnician]

I'm confused by your interest in shifting the discussion away from the company that has enough money and lawyers to know better, and back towards anyone but them.

Can't we discuss the company's responsibility?

[TheRealPomax]

Not without picking correct similes or metaphores, no.

[mossTechnician]

Okay, if we must look at metaphors and not the thing you insist we must not look at:

> if you're old and you die in an accident, you died of old age, not "that specific accident"

Your metaphor absolves any drunk driver from murder charges as long as their victim is old enough.

[account42]

... until you aren't. Plenty of dead babies to prove the point.