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by 2OEH8eoCRo0 591 days ago
I'd pay a modest fee for a non-tracking, ad-free, non-enshittified YouTube though. Compete for my money!
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Like Youtube Premium? https://www.youtube.com/premium
Does it remove tracking and returns the dislike button?
No. It also doesn't make pigs fly, or put your pants on for you like in Wallace and Gromet.
Not for me, as long as its owned by Google, I'm not paying a cent.
Crazy expensive compared to what they actually make off of ads. Who can justify this?
No. I prefer newpipe
So you wouldn't actually pay a modest fee.
When you're paying for a service, you generally expect something better than a third-party can achieve by deleting parts of your free offering.
This is moving the goal posts and completely arbitrary. There are many services that are ad supported and have a paid version without the ads.

For some reason, free and ad free YouTube seems like a birthright to so many people.

If an entity takes measures to ensure that its service becomes the de-facto default in an area, that entity gives up its entitlement to dictate the terms of use of that service. We need something like this in our systems of ethics, or we permit Freedom Monsters (ref: https://existentialcomics.com/comic/259). Note that this isn't the only solution, but I expect other solutions to have the same shape.

If Google didn't promote YouTube so heavily, permitted channels to migrate to other services (like how they permit Blogger blogs to migrate to other websites), bundled a generic streaming video player with Android (e.g. VLC) instead of the YouTube app… then maybe I'd be more sympathetic to the position of content blocker opponents. To convince me to pay for YouTube, you have to offer me something other than "we've locked a capability of your computer away, but you can get it back if you pay us!".

Notably, there's no need to move the goalposts, as they remain unmet; the original premise was

> a modest fee for a non-tracking, ad-free, non-enshittified YouTube

And YT Premium is

[x] modest fee - I could argue that either way (is $14/mo really "modest"?), but let's allow it

[ ] non-tracking - not that I'm aware of

[~] ad-free - partially; right now YT itself won't add more ads, so you're just left with the ads that uploaders embed

[~] non-enshittified - depends what you mean; ex. I believe it does restore the ability to play audio with the screen off, but not downvoting

Hackers will spend unlimited amounts of time and energy to argue why they shouldn't pay for something. I think it was the Dalai Lama who said that the highest ethical principle that exists is to use things without paying for them, and that it is in fact the people providing goods and services who are oppressing the people who are using them. But I could have remembered wrong.
I would if YouTube were user respecting for paying users. I pay for a lot of other media fwiw
There are options for you, like Floatplane and Nebula. The problem is universal - their curated content has limited appeal. The YouTube model is more attractive to people, so more people upload content to a larger audience. I have no confidence that a paid-only platform could reach 1/100th of the traffic YouTube gets in a similar timespan.

As a customer you really just have to ask yourself what you're willing to give up when paying for a YouTube analog. Content creators aren't going to engage in a mass exodus unless they're convinced their audience will follow them to other platforms.

Nebula is more like Netflix for vlogs and explainers as it lacks comments and livestreams.
You say "lacks comments" like it's a bad thing.