[ndriscoll]

Can't read files or access memory of other users though, which is kind of the point. It's trivially easy to run games as a different user than the one you use for e.g. banking, and operating systems have had fast user switching for decades.

[gruez]

Most games require admin privileges to install, so if the game maker wants to be evil you're already screwed even if you have separate users. Moreover, most software isn't really designed for multi-user system security (because it's basically never used), so there's often sloppy coding practices that lead to trivial EoP between users (eg. cache directories accessible by all users).

[ndriscoll]

Maybe this is a difference with Windows vs. Linux and admittedly I basically never have time for games anymore, but I don't remember any game ever asking me for my root password to install or run. I'm also not sure what software you have in mind that doesn't work in a multi-user environment. I see plenty of usage of `~/.cache`, and `~` has 700 for permissions. Other services on my computer run as their own user.

In any case, something being programmed poorly isn't a good excuse to make things even worse. It is, however, a great reason to... run things under isolated users/environments, or in a VM (which these drivers also want to prevent).

[gruez]

>but I don't remember any game ever asking me for my root password to install or run.

Are you sure there isn't some sort of setuid executable that's doing all the root stuff for you? At least in theory for something like steam, you'd want either all installs to require root, or restrict all installs to per-user basis.

>In any case, something being programmed poorly isn't a good excuse to make things even worse.

The point is that if multi-user security is broke in practice, you shouldn't invest effort into using it, and use something better like virtualization and/or dual booting with full disk encryption.

[ndriscoll]

By default steam puts everything in ~/.local/share so I don't see why it would need root.

These drivers generally try to prevent you from using virtualization for the same reason they want root. The point is that fundamentally they want to live one level above wherever the user is, which means they compromise user ability to secure against them. The game industry isn't exactly known for slow, careful development, so they're kind of the worst group to give root.

Even without a VM, multi-user security does work, and Linux has other tools to isolate programs. Steam already runs in a sandbox[0] on NixOS to give it a normal FHS layout and work at all, so it wouldn't be unreasonable to add more isolation.

[0] apparently using https://github.com/containers/bubblewrap which can also do things like PID and network isolation.

[Hikikomori]

If we only have user space anticheat we might as well have no anticheat at all. Its not like anticheat uses kernel because its fun, cheats moved there to be undetected before anticheat had to.