[robotresearcher]

It’s really nice! Expensive, but it looks great and the 5K panel is beautiful. Speakers are good for a display, webcam is meh.

It’s much better looking than the LG ultrafine 5K, slightly more functional, and costs more.

What’s the idiot part? Price?

[s__s]

Personally I wish they sold a version without the camera and speakers. I already have those. A ultra wide would be nice too. I can’t imagine using two of them side by side, especially because it seems incredibly wasteful to have a duplicate speaker / camera set up.

[andrewmcwatters]

There's an entire computer in the monitor that you can't use.

[robotresearcher]

According to the article below, the A13 computer hosts at least the fancy webcam and audio features. That's how you use it.

https://www.theverge.com/2022/3/9/22968960/apple-studio-disp...

Similarly my car has a computer in it that I "can't use", except it does car stuff.

[andrewmcwatters]

That's a mobile processor with desktop-class performance. That you can't use. We're not talking about ESP32s here.

[isoprophlex]

Could you please be a little more kind and a little less vitriolic? Not talking about right or wrong here, but if this comment chain keeps going in this direction, we're left with lots of anger and little in the way of interesting reading.

[andrewmcwatters]

Your backseat moderation is unnecessary.

[bsimpson]

Your reaction is mine too, but it feels like you're fighting for the sake of fighting.

Yes, it's infuriating that they effectively made an iMac, don't let you run your own software on it, but do charge iMac prices for it.

Also, if you're a consumer who wants a retina-class desktop display, do you have any better option? So far as I can tell, the 27" 4Ks we bought for my office ~9 years ago are still state-of-the-art if you're unwilling to consider Apple's option.

People are taking exception to your "idiot product" remark, because you're standing so high on your principles that you're calling people who are willing to make a financial sacrifice to get the best available option "idiots." If you spend hours a day in front of a screen, you can justify amortizing out stupid-expensive over the amount of time you spend using it.

We'd all like to see either just-the-screen for half the price, or a revived iMac Pro at the current price; but neither of those are options anyone can buy right now.

[andrewmcwatters]

I don't think I'm fighting anything. You just choose another product. In particular for design professionals, you're better off buying monitors with panels from Samsung or LG, who are also Apple's suppliers.

Edit: The real point is you've been conditioned into thinking you need a 5k or even a 6k display. As someone who has done professional media work, no you do not.

Apple's monitors are products sold to people who don't know seemingly don't know anything about monitors, color accuracy, who don't calibrate, or have to test against multiple devices to ensure readability or clarity of picture.

They're really nice toys for people with a lot of money, not unlike Teenage Engineering products, except Apple markets them in earnest to "pros" not "professionals." People who know better use different products.

[bsimpson]

Good to know that other companies are supplying 5K displays, but neither is significantly cheaper than the Apple. In fact, Samsung's MSRP is identical to Apple's.

So much for being an "idiot" product…