[viraptor]

> that leveraged the Xcode cli

Yeah, that would be a problem for a few reasons, but I'd point that rant at Apple "releasing" incomplete and broken sources. This whole area has been changed massively recently by a few Darwin heroes and will be released in 24.11. It's also going to be much easier to maintain in the future.

So if you're interested, try the new apple SDKs in a couple months.

FTR, it solves quite a few of my daily issues, especially in DevOps contexts where brew is unusable.

[spease]

> FTR, it solves quite a few of my daily issues, especially in DevOps contexts where brew is unusable.

Perhaps there needs to be more explicit scope communicated. Right now the nix(os) website advertises several use cases that it just doesn’t seem ready for (but this has been the case for ~5 years now, so I don’t expect it will ever be ready).

When I’ve tried asking eg “is this ready for flutter development”, I was told yes, then immediately ran into brick walls when I started trying to develop with it.

And when it comes to filing a bug report, then I feel (or the maintainers will feel) that I’m obligated to grab logs, put in a certain amount of effort, format everything accordingly etc etc.

It’s just an exhausting amount of mental complexity to deal with right now, to the point it’s hard not to say “just use docker” is the right answer. However brute force and wasteful that may be in comparison.

[kenada]

Improving the interaction with language ecosystems was one of the motivating reasons for how I approached the [rework][1] of Darwin support in nixpkgs. A lot of Rust stuff was simply impossible to build due to their SDK needs and how hard it was to override the SDK correctly, but that’s fixed now (with a few remaining cases that will be fixed in the final staging cycle before 24.11). I expect other ecosystems to benefit similarly, especially since Darwin support looks more like a native toolchain while still being built and provided by nixpkgs.

For example, Zed and Wezterm (previously failing intermittently on x86_64-darwin) now build on Darwin. Someone even has [Firefox building from source][2]. PyTorch will be able to support MPS, and MoltenVK will be able to use Metal 3 features if your system supports them.

[1]: https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/346043

[2]: https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/350384

[sorry_i_lisp]

My flutter use case may be too pedestrian, but I have no issue with flutter using projects managed by nix.