[zpeti]

I agree with your sentiment, but frankly human nature just doesn’t work that way. We don’t have self control. We weren’t evolved for a world of abundance. This is no one’s fault, and it’s everywhere, china is getting fatter than most countries now.

Realistically, ozempic is a miracle and it seems to be a solution to numerous issues of our world.

It would be nice if it wasn’t so, but apart from the 10% of people who can control themselves (which also causes psychological issues btw), most people just can’t.

[cynicalpeace]

I reject your assumption that "This is no one’s fault, and it’s everywhere, china is getting fatter than most countries now."

It's the food industrial complex's fault, along with many others (politicians, individuals without self control, etc)

I lived in rural Colombia for 4 years. People had access to the junk food, but it wasn't consumed very much because the veggies and meat are all produced locally and super tasty and cheap. And the local dishes were extremely meat and veggie based.

Oh, and most people know how to cook there.

It's not a fact of human nature to be unhealthy. It's a fact of modern culture.

[apwell23]

It makes your poop sit in your tummy and rot

[consteval]

This isn't true

[apwell23]

which part?

[consteval]

all of it

[apwell23]

their own pamphlet is wrong ?

"Taking the medication could be linked to ileus, a condition where the intestines temporarily stop functioning. Increase risk of Gastroparesis"

[consteval]

That's a side effect, dumbass. Every medicine has side effects. It's not the primary purpose of the drug or even a likely outcome, like you originally implied.

Why even bother lying if you don't possess the intelligence to formulate even a shallow deception? You understand that attempting to be deceptive, and then demonstrating you're too stupid for even simple deceptions is worse than if you had just said nothing, right?

Some advice: if you have to employ deception to make your argument, your argument is probably shit and probably isn't even worth the sound waves it travels on. So go back to the drawing board and trying coming up with something less fucking stupid.

[thefz]

Lol, no. There are countries in which obesity is nonexistent.

[cthalupa]

Obesity is on the rise in a huge percentage of developed nations, and not just western ones. Even South Korea has seen a huge spike over the past decade - the amount of obese men /doubled/ between 2009 and 2019. It went up 3x in China between 1993 and 2015, and is on track to be over 20% by the end of the decade. Japan is increasing at a much slower rate, but it's still going up. 25% of people in India are overweight, with that number and morbid obesity numbers also increasing.

Basically every country sees obesity rise as the people gain access to the modern diet.

[thefz]

I don't care obesity is rising here and there, the fact that it is culturally induced remains, as it remains that a change lifestyle is the largest defense against obesity. Enjoy the magic pill for the rest of your life.

[cthalupa]

I'm fairly confident in my ability to get back in the same routine I had in my 20s and take myself off of it, but if staying on it is what it takes for me to remain fit and eating well, then sure. I don't mind giving myself an injection twice a week in exchange for good health.

If not needing it makes you feel superior, I'm glad you've found a source of self validation.

[thefz]

Imagine your reaction if smokers were to make the same point and voila, this is how ridiculous it sounds.

[cthalupa]

I don't begrudge smokers any of the tools they have their disposal for cessation. So yes, they're certainly welcome to make the same point. If using nicotine patches or gum indefinitely is what it takes someone to stop smoking cigarettes, then sure, go for it. It's a hell of a lot less harmful than continuing to smoke two packs of cigarettes a day.

It's quite obvious that you think anyone who is incapable of just willpowering through things is lesser for it. And that's fine - you're allowed to hold whatever opinion you want. Thankfully, neither of us are forced to interact with each other in any real manner.

[cynicalpeace]

There are places in the world you could point to that are not obese and in fact has decreased. So it's certainly possible to emulate that.

[cthalupa]

Where? In Japan, obesity among men has increased by 1.5x over the past several decades. It remains quite low, but the rate is still increasing year over year (slower with women). Vietnam, a country with one of the lowest obesity rates in the world is seeing an increase - the overweight and obesity rate has basically tripled since the early 2000s.

[cynicalpeace]

Huntington, West Virginia: https://www.advisory.com/daily-briefing/2020/01/27/fattest-c...

The solution involved exercise and diet, surprise surprise. It's not magic or some law of nature that people will only get more fat and unhealthy.

If we think that way, then it will surely happen though.

[cthalupa]

Alright - so whole community intervention, including literal celebrity chefs appearing and building out menus, can improve the situation.

Yes, if we remove all of the modern, processed, high calorie, energy dense, sugar heavy foods out of a place we can improve the obesity rate.

I hope you understand why individuals are going to take things into their own hands vs. waiting for massive societal change. I thought you were referring to whole cultures or countries making significant change here, not small communities.

[consteval]

Typically, because less food is available in day-to-day life.

If I sold cigs on every street corner in a "skinny" country like Japan, how confident are you that I wouldn't create a smoking culture?

This is not a matter of motivation or discipline. Such thinking is short-sighted.

[cthalupa]

> If I sold cigs on every street corner in a "skinny" country like Japan, how confident are you that I wouldn't create a smoking culture?

Considering Japan has long been one of the highest per capita consumers of tobacco, apparently it's quite likely ;)